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Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost

Old 11th Apr 2014, 08:02
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That was HMAS Toowoomba as far as I could see it tracked straight back out to the debris search area. One would assume that it would be nearer to Ocean Shield or Echo if it was going to transfer AUV's... [or launch and recover them itself]

You would think that the Germans and / or US would claim the publicity if they where here already...
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 08:05
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Lifting MH370 .... Underfire

How would we go about lifting mh337 debris from 4,000 blaahahab meters?

AF447 recovery produced (75) human remains.
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 08:06
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Some massive recovery ship with crane capable of 500,000lb lifting capacity arrives on-site
Actually weight is really insignificant compared with other deep sea recoveries; it is only 250 short tons. More significant is the size.

If they do recover the fuselage to near the surface then a lift not that difficult.

Whole destroyers and frigates have been brought home on barges. IIRC HMS Nottingham was one and USS Cole another.
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 08:07
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This article was printed on 30/03/2014

Three deep-sea submarines used to search for wreckage of the crashed Air France Flight 447 have also been sent to aid in the search for MH370.

The three "Abyss" type submarines can dive to depths of 6,000m and stay submerged for up to 24 hours.
MH370 crash: Deep-sea search tools ready for deployment - Nation | The Star Online
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 08:11
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Forgive me but is it at all significant that the area where Echo is now 'stopped' looks a paler blue than the surrounding ocean?


Does this mean it is shallower?


I am hoping this might mean recovery would be easier than if it were outside of this area.

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Old 11th Apr 2014, 08:22
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Does anyone know if the optic fibre repeaters on the underwater submarine cable SEA-ME-WE3, which runs from Perth through the search area to Jakarta, emit any noise? They are powered by internal DC power. Could they be causing interference?
They shouldn't have any interference as they are high capacity datalinks and any interference would degrade the throughput. Those cables are normally covered in protective layers to shield any interference and then buried in a trench at the bottom of the ocean to further protect them.
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 09:25
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http://www.marinetraffic.com received its last data feed 3 minutes ago and its showing HMS Echo stopped on the border of the search area and Ocean Shield moving towards its location at 1.6kn.

Towing the pinger locator again???
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 10:15
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Live Ships Map - AIS - Vessel Traffic and Positions - AIS Marine Traffic received its last data feed 3 minutes ago and its showing HMS Echo stopped on the border of the search area and Ocean Shield moving towards its location at 1.6kn.

Towing the pinger locator again???

I'm guessing HMS ECHO is all ears at the moment listening for the ULB all engines stopped. And I think your right about Ocean Shield still towing the TPL-25.

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Old 11th Apr 2014, 10:25
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Originally Posted by Sheep Guts
HMS ECHO is all ears at the moment listening for the ULB all engines stopped.
Do you have a source for that or are you just guessing?
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 10:28
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I am most likely wrong here, but there is a picture on Unconfirmed report says Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 black box has been found | News.com.au posted 20 minutes ago showing the BlueFin-21 being lowered from the Ocean Shield at sea (I am guessing its Ocean Shield as its a red ship).

its interesting and maybe it has been deployed, but then again the photo may only mean there getting it ready.

@bobstay, its not moving and hasn't for a while and they said it would be used to listen at one of the PC
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 10:58
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Yes I understand the free feed is several hours old but the status as of 3 hours ago was 'stopped' NOT 'underway'
Unless she has a very long anchor rode then she is certainly underway. There is no AIS navigation status code for 'stopped', so presumably that is the website filling in the details from the SOG rather than a real status change. I wouldn't read too much into it.
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 11:13
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Ocean Shield

No need to guess about the TPL as the JACC afternoon update says Ocean Shield is continuing with more focused sweeps with it.
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 11:20
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Putrajaya starts investigating...

Putrajaya starts investigating confused initial response to disappearance of flight MH370 - The Malaysian Insider
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 12:09
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Unless she has a very long anchor rode then she is certainly underway. There is no AIS navigation status code for 'stopped', so presumably that is the website filling in the details from the SOG rather than a real status change. I wouldn't read too much into it.
It is doing under 0.1kn its basically stopped, it most likely has engines shut off and is slowly moving with the current.

I have seen the status stopped numerous times on various vessels when they are basically engines off but not anchored and a lot of fishing vessels show this.

For example, http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/ind.../direction:asc this is history for a NZ fishing vessel.
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 12:54
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I believe they are certified and tested to 6,000m.
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 13:17
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THE Prime Minister has given the most detailed information about where the crucial black box flight recorders from missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 are expected to be.

Tony Abbott gave Chinese President Xi Jinping a private and detailed briefing in Beijing about the latest on the search for the missing Boeing 777-200ER aircraft which had 154 Chinese people on board.

The MP told the President before a State dinner with the Australian premiers at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing an unprecedented audience that search teams led by the Australian ship Ocean Shield had narrowed down the area in the Indian Ocean where pings from the flight recorders are being received to a grid of around 10km by 10km.

He told President Xi that there is now a high degree of confidence that the signals were the black boxes.
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 14:39
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If the FDR & CVR are revered: just a hunch

Just a hunch: if the boxes are ever recovered they will show that the pilots were overcome by some sort of toxic fumes, that the origin and nature of these fumes will remain a mystery. Malaysian Airlines and the way whatever cargo aboard was handled will be blameless. Ditto for Boeing. Ditto fort the pilots, who will be remembered as professionals who attempted to save their jet, and the passengers, in impossible circumstances.

Will this be the truth? Perhaps. But, given the various reputations and commercial interests at stake, the question merits asking.

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Old 11th Apr 2014, 14:41
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The now-reflagged & renamed Glomar Explorer has been reported to be enroute to the current search area.
Your source is??

According marine traffic this drill rig is currently in Bay of Bengal stationary and has not moved since 4/4/14

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Old 11th Apr 2014, 14:42
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I wouldn't expect many changes considering what a rare occurrence this is , the recorders do there job well .
If they end up being switched off then it was a deliberate act , case closed.
Nobody will spend money on Satellite bandwidth for storing what would mostly be useless information.
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 15:03
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HMS Echo new location

As of 14:17(UTC) AIS (via Orbcomm) is showing HMS Echo on the move at 0.9kn / 16, somewhat to the East of the Eastern search area.
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