Crash of Algerian Air Force plane kills 103

[momo95]

No one asked any questions, who are these "half-wits" you speak of in your very condescending post ? can we focus on the crash rather than others ?

[ve3id]

That's exactly what I learned in CPL g/s. I was speaking tongue in cheek. I hope you are not referring to me as a stupid contributor.

[777300]

[zikko380]

worst crash in Algeria in a decade!!! bu the deadliest was the air algerie flight 6289 in 2003.

[captplaystation]

I have landed many times in Constantine. Yes there is terrain to the South, but, if you respect the STAR & approach procedure, there is no way to park the aircraft a couple of thousand feet below the highest MSA, sorry , but it ain't rocket science & Algerian Air Force guys should know (at least ) their own country & how it is constructed vertically.

[aterpster]

capt ps:

I have landed many times in Constantine. Yes there is terrain to the South, but, if you respect the STAR & approach procedure, there is no way to park the aircraft a couple of thousand feet below the highest MSA, sorry , but it ain't rocket science & Algerian Air Force guys should know (at least ) their own country & how it is constructed vertically.

NO STARS for DABC in the Jepps.

Both ILS (32 and 34) are marked "provisional/experimental." That's a new one.

[BOAC]

Algerian AIP has quite a few IFR charts (Cat I)

[framer]

Since when is " weather" the cause of a crash?
You either make good decisions regarding the weather you face or ..... you don't. It may be a factor, but it's not the cause.

[RoyHudd]

STARs

Atwerpster, join the hold over the a/d VOR above MSA, descend in the hold, and start the procedure at the nominated altitude.. Done it a few times at DABC. Simples....though my encounters with the Algerian AF C-130's were not much fun. They never transponded, but joined the pattern to land at places like Annaba without informing ATC. Scary stuff.

[aterpster]

RoyHudd:

Atwerpster, join the hold over the a/d VOR above MSA, descend in the hold, and start the procedure at the nominated altitude.. Done it a few times at DABC. Simples....though my encounters with the Algerian AF C-130's were not much fun. They never transponded, but joined the pattern to land at places like Annaba without informing ATC. Scary stuff.

Agree, that is the way it's been done for many years at lots of places in the world. I was just responding to another post that stated there was a STAR or STARs for DABC.

Can you explain why the two ILS and two VOR approach procedures at DABC are "Provisional Procedure on Experimental Basis?" (exact verbiage on Jepp charts.)

[BOAC]

You'll need to ask Jepp - my schoolboy French tells me the annotation is NOT on the national charts which are dated 2008.

[COxt]

Can't explain why they were "provisional" in the past but check your Jepp Chart Change Notices for DABC: "(11-1/11-2, 13-1/13-2) IAPs no longer on provisional basis."

[jcjeant]

Black box recovered in good shape
VIDEOS. Crash en Algérie : la boîte noire retrouvée en «bon état»
From this press article:
Before the crash the pilot ask for an emergency landing at the tower of Oum El Bouaghi

[aterpster]

COxt:

Can't explain why they were "provisional" in the past but check your Jepp Chart Change Notices for DABC: "(11-1/11-2, 13-1/13-2) IAPs no longer on provisional basis."

Thanks. I didn't think to look at the Chart Change Notice.

[jcjeant]

News in a renowed Algerian newspaper (use Google translator if needed)
Le film de la catastrophe - Actualité - El Watan
In short:
Fog present on crash site (but no dangerous wind or snow)
Aircraft too low
In landing configuration (flaps .. landing gear out)
Low speed
Possible navigation problems (pilot or instruments)
Possible navaid problem at airport

[ehwatezedoing]

Originally Posted by RoyHudd

though my encounters with the Algerian AF C-130's were not much fun. They never transponded, but joined the pattern to land at places like Annaba without informing ATC. Scary stuff.

Always a bit worrying when you cannot listen what's going on UHF would be more accurate.