Looks like Lion Air bent another one.
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Looks like Lion Air bent another one.
Type: Boeing 737-9GPER (WL) Operator: Registration: PK-LFH C/n / msn: 35710/2285 First flight: 2007-05-30 (6 years 8 months) Engines: 2 CFMI CFM56-7B26 Crew:Fatalities: 0 / Occupants: Passengers:Fatalities: 0 / Occupants: Total:Fatalities: 0 / Occupants: Airplane damage: Substantial Location:Surabaya-Juanda Airport (SUB) Phase: Landing (LDG) Nature: Domestic Scheduled Passenger Departure airport: Balikpapan-Sepingan Airport (BPN/WALL), Indonesia Destination airport:Surabaya-Juanda Airport (SUB/WARR), Indonesia
Unconfirmed reports indicate that a Boeing 737-900 operated by Lion Air suffered a hard landing accident at Surabaya-Juanda Airport (SUB) in Indonesia.
The airplane, PK-LFH, performed the scheduled domestic service JT-361 from Balikpapan (BPN) to Surabaya.
Aviation sources report that the airplane suffered a tailstrike and bounced several times during landing at Surabaya. The airplane sustained damage to the underside of the rear fuslage, engine and undercarriage.
Unconfirmed reports indicate that a Boeing 737-900 operated by Lion Air suffered a hard landing accident at Surabaya-Juanda Airport (SUB) in Indonesia.
The airplane, PK-LFH, performed the scheduled domestic service JT-361 from Balikpapan (BPN) to Surabaya.
Aviation sources report that the airplane suffered a tailstrike and bounced several times during landing at Surabaya. The airplane sustained damage to the underside of the rear fuslage, engine and undercarriage.
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http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...il-strike.html
Not only did they land hard, they "forgot" to tell ATC. The next aircraft landing, a Garuda 738, got damaged from all the bits and pieces left on the runway.
amateurs!
Not only did they land hard, they "forgot" to tell ATC. The next aircraft landing, a Garuda 738, got damaged from all the bits and pieces left on the runway.
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And nowhere on Indonesian news can you find anything about it. I bet Lion Air just pays off the Indo press whenever something happens so that it won't become public. The final cause of accident of Lion ditching in Bali (pilot error) wasn't published anywhere in Indonesia, unless I missed it. Lion Air buys ATC priority, they pay off the press so they keep quiet, pay off their pilots to fly over the hourly limits etc, etc. It might work for the moment, but for the long run it's doomed for failure.
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Lion Air buys ATC priority, they pay off the press so they keep quiet, pay off their pilots to fly over the hourly limits etc, etc. It might work for the moment, but for the long run it's doomed for failure.
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3 passengers were taken to a hospital, according to the Indonesian Ministry of Transport (BulePilot: Lion Air Hard Landing di Juanda, 3 Penumpang Dibawa ke RS ). No further details in the media yet. Exactly how injured they were isn't very relevant, is it. No passengers should need hospitalization after a flight. Clearly this was not a landing you could just walk away from. Says it all.
And that on one of the longer runways in indonesia.
And that on one of the longer runways in indonesia.
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No wonder, as Lion Air hires inexperienced (Dutch) pilots who pay Lion Air to get the job without any serieus selection process. That shows me that the hiring process for other pilots cannot be very serieous too.
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Culthero asserts:
And yes Culthero, I'm sure your the greatest pilot since Erdinger Beer.
No wonder, as Lion Air hires inexperienced (Dutch) pilots who pay Lion Air to get the job without any serieus selection process.
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Dutch Pilots are very well trained.
The selection process is indeed not the greatest in Lion Air, but it is not only with Dutch Pilots. Also Eagle did business with Lion Air.
The Fact that there are still so many Asian Captains who still work accodingly to their own traditional way of thinking of leadership and status makes it hard to get better safety records. CRM is something they never heard of.
What happened here exactly will be shown hopefully soon in final report. But what I say is I think quiet close to reality.
If FO sees that approach is not good or touchdown is not good, why not a go around?
I have learned at my MCC to speak up, no matter what. You want to come home safely I guess after work. Not going back in a coffin or in bits and pieces because of crash landing.
The selection process is indeed not the greatest in Lion Air, but it is not only with Dutch Pilots. Also Eagle did business with Lion Air.
The Fact that there are still so many Asian Captains who still work accodingly to their own traditional way of thinking of leadership and status makes it hard to get better safety records. CRM is something they never heard of.
What happened here exactly will be shown hopefully soon in final report. But what I say is I think quiet close to reality.
If FO sees that approach is not good or touchdown is not good, why not a go around?
I have learned at my MCC to speak up, no matter what. You want to come home safely I guess after work. Not going back in a coffin or in bits and pieces because of crash landing.
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Originally Posted by BulePilot
And nowhere on Indonesian news can you find anything about it.
Seems that Indonesia shall at all times maintain one carrier with a ready supply of aircraft with which to drill holes in the ground. The previous holder of the title, Adam Air, was allowed to smash a few aircraft here and there, but eventually the PR became too bad and they were closed. Still, not a few graves had to be dug before that happened, and what really happened was probably more a case of failing to grease the right palms.
Lion Air have so far suffered an alarming number of runway excursion and landing accidents, slowly working their way up to the point when they will, eventually, start smashing up aircraft on a far more spectacular scale, undoubtedly killing a significant number of people in the process. With a very long supply line of both aircraft and pilots, in both cases bought very much on the cheap, things will be allowed to deteriorate until someone pulls the plug. Declaring Lion Air PNG in the EU, US or AUS has no consequences, neither has downgrading the national Indo aviation authorities.
Facts are, Indonesia is one of the most corrupt places on this earth. Safety standards are indeed something they pay to be compliant with, just like everybody else. It's just that they're paying far less and to someone far different than the rest of us.
Best thing one can do, therefore, is stay the hell clear of Lion Air and its ilk. If you are working for a company requiring local transport in the area, prepare a briefing to your director of H&S, lining out the pure facts about Indonesian aviation in general, and this specific operator in particular. If you're on your own dime, avoid domestic travels in Indonesia. If you are a local, and cannot avoid domestic travels, decide now which deity you prefer the most and become a devout worshipper.
Lion Air have so far suffered an alarming number of runway excursion and landing accidents, slowly working their way up to the point when they will, eventually, start smashing up aircraft on a far more spectacular scale, undoubtedly killing a significant number of people in the process. With a very long supply line of both aircraft and pilots, in both cases bought very much on the cheap, things will be allowed to deteriorate until someone pulls the plug. Declaring Lion Air PNG in the EU, US or AUS has no consequences, neither has downgrading the national Indo aviation authorities.
Facts are, Indonesia is one of the most corrupt places on this earth. Safety standards are indeed something they pay to be compliant with, just like everybody else. It's just that they're paying far less and to someone far different than the rest of us.
Best thing one can do, therefore, is stay the hell clear of Lion Air and its ilk. If you are working for a company requiring local transport in the area, prepare a briefing to your director of H&S, lining out the pure facts about Indonesian aviation in general, and this specific operator in particular. If you're on your own dime, avoid domestic travels in Indonesia. If you are a local, and cannot avoid domestic travels, decide now which deity you prefer the most and become a devout worshipper.
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Having spent quite a bit of time in Indonesia, travel of any type is somewhat dangerous. The safest way to get around is by train but that obviously doesn't work between the thousands of islands. I'd personally take air travel - even Lion Air - to either boat or bus/car. If nothing else, the duration of your fear is shorter when flying
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Having spent quite a bit of time in Indonesia, travel of any type is somewhat dangerous. The safest way to get around is by train but that obviously doesn't work between the thousands of islands. I'd personally take air travel - even Lion Air - to either boat or bus/car. If nothing else, the duration of your fear is shorter when flying
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And now you know why they've ordered 178 737-900 ERs!
, his birthday is the 17th of August. 17-8 , hence the 178 orders. So now you know.SMT MEMBER is spot on. Also BulePilot is spot on. Paying off local pilots to fly 160+ hours a month is peanuts. Local FO's are 'forced' to pass the 110hr/1000hr limit because you will never be considered for an upgrade if you don't reply to the numerous calls and sms' messages from Lion Air to keep on flying.
Rumours it's another Indian - Indonesian cockpit mixture for this hard landing, dangerous cocktail, same like the Bali Splash. One of Kush Bhasin his pay to fly wonders.
Even (hard RUMOURS NOW) some Indians got caught out with fake/invalid licenses, company gave them time to sort it out. Make it valid / re-issue and then they were put back on the line, money talks.
(something like they 'send' the Lion simchecks to India for renewal of license, but never did because it is not recognized as an ATO, and they let their licenses expire willingly without telling Lion Air).
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