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Lion Air Hard Landing with a Tail Strike

Old 2nd Feb 2014, 08:02
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Lion Air Hard Landing with a Tail Strike

Did any of you guys hear about the Lion Air B739ER from Balikpapan to Surabaya that landed hard yesterday, bounced 3 times along with a tail strike. Reliable source told me the landing was around 4Gs and the nose wheel and one of the main gears were broken with a lot of structural damage. The photos didnt look good either. Registration of the aircraft is PK LFH. Good news is, they are going to have a stock of spare parts now. Time to close down some of the MEL items



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Old 2nd Feb 2014, 08:24
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I suspect lack of experience in the flight deck again.
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Old 2nd Feb 2014, 11:31
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Sigh, you could set your watch to Lion air f*** ups.

Looks like someone is gonna have a ton of spare parts.
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Old 2nd Feb 2014, 11:37
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Well, it doesnt end there, Bad things always happen in pairs, the lion air crew didnt inform the ATC about the hard landing and a few mins later a Garuda 738 landed behind them and they impacted some debris on the runway and blew a tyre and have lot of damage to their airframe as well
If correct, the arriving lawsuits will be never ending.

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Old 2nd Feb 2014, 15:32
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4Gs isn't a hard landing, it's an accident.
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Old 2nd Feb 2014, 16:06
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oops
Spare parts that could have been useful for the B738 Lion Air dropped into the sea at Bali...
Now washing machines!

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Old 2nd Feb 2014, 23:19
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Extraordinary that anybody is prepared to fly on Lion Air.
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Old 3rd Feb 2014, 00:31
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How long does the average airplane last at Lionair?
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Old 3rd Feb 2014, 00:32
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I just booked a flight with Thai Lion Air today...

They really cocked that one up didn't they! And the last couple!
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Old 3rd Feb 2014, 00:34
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They last as long as some of my relationships with young dumb busty blondes.
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Old 3rd Feb 2014, 00:42
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is there something wrong at Lion Air?!!!...
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Old 3rd Feb 2014, 01:09
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The engine cowl picture looks like belong to Garuda, rite? The Lion's one should be coloured red, not white...

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Old 3rd Feb 2014, 02:37
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Read the words don't just look at the pictures!

lion air crew didnt inform the ATC about the hard landing and a few mins later a Garuda 738 landed behind them and they impacted some debris on the runway and blew a tyre and have lot of damage to their airframe as well
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Old 3rd Feb 2014, 04:14
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Is this the same incident as the recent VOR/DME28 approach and landing on the taxiway?
Fill us in?sound hilarious
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Old 3rd Feb 2014, 08:45
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all i know is a local 737 operator landed on a taxiway instead of the main runway in surabaya a few days ago by 'mistake'.
Rumour has it that the taxiway landing in Surabaya was by Sriwijaya B734 PK-CJW
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Old 3rd Feb 2014, 08:45
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According to the aviation herald the Garuda 738 (1500LT)landed around five hours later than the Lion Air 739 (1015LT). Not just a few minutes after.
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The engine cowl picture looks like belong to Garuda, rite? The Lion's one should be coloured red, not white..
That's a photo of the Garuda 738 that was damaged due to the FOD allegedly caused by Lion.
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Old 3rd Feb 2014, 08:59
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'If' they were at least relatively stable on the final approach, a landing speed of 'say' 135Kts, 10 Kt headwind (surmised) groundspeed of 125kts over the threshold, without flaring their ROD for the three degree slope would be approximately 625fpm.


Whilst this would give you a nasty bump I don't think it would equate to a 4G landing as the aircraft are test flown to 2.4g with no flare landings.


This, again supposition, sounds like an unstable approach to high over the threshold and stuffing the nose down to bounce on the nose wheel, causing the main gear to 'round' into the runway and setting up an oscillating 'bounce' cycle down the runway.


Certainly a sequence that would result in a 4g structural damage impact with a tail strike probably on the 2nd or third cycle.


All IMHO of course, I wait with interest the accident report!
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Old 3rd Feb 2014, 09:00
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Any info onthe Garuda registration ?
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Old 3rd Feb 2014, 10:04
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That was certainly an indecent rate of descent
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