CEO at the controls of media-packed demo flight

[Pugilistic Animus]

I get it now he is a pilot, from the original post there was no mention of his flight experience in the OP. I thought that a total novice was allowed to handfly from 3000 to 16000...that case would be irresponsible.

[Jimmy 16]

B.K was trained by the Royal Norwegian Air Force and the USAF, then flew the CF-104 with 334 Sqdn out of Bodø for 6 years.
He knows more about flying than most CEO's.

[Pugilistic Animus]

but was he current on anything? did he have a sim session before his flight?

[Hotel Tango]

Pugilistic get off your high horse. This is a total non event. You are just one of modern day life's trouble makers with nothing better to do but make mischief. People like you make me . And the Aeroflot accident involved a young kid, not a responsible adult, (ex)pilot and CEO of the airline. Finally, many more fully qualified, type rated, pilots have managed to fly perfectly airworthy aircraft into the ground. I detest the expression, but for you it's worthy: Go get a life!

[Sunnyjohn]

Hey Bumps; what's up with Bruce Dickenson? Don't know about the A320, but he is a fully qualified pilot and has operated extensively as a captain on both 737 and 757,

Indeed, and he's still at it:

Cardiff Aviation Limited was established in 2012 by seasoned aviation professional Mario Fulgoni, and Bruce Dickinson, vocalist with rock band Iron Maiden.
An unusual combination? Perhaps not. Mario is a former airline captain and has held senior management roles in a number of aviation businesses, including airlines and flight training.

Bruce Dickinson
Bruce Dickinson is a 7,000-hour-plus Boeing 757 captain. As well as his place in the music industry, Bruce has been a commercial pilot for 15 years – with many passengers on national carriers completely oblivious to the fact their First Officer, and then Captain, was one of the world’s most iconic rock stars.

[Bumps]

Herod, I'm not bashing Bruce or his flying abilities. I'm simply making the argument that there's no problem having a non-rated pilot at the controls with a training Captain in the other seat. As was the case with Bruce when flying the A320 with Airbus, and Björn Kjos flying the 787 with Boeing.

Now, if you really want to stir the pot check out this video of someones mother in the hot seat of a 757:

My Mom Flying a Boeing 757 - YouTube

[Hotel Tango]

Also a non event. The Captain not in uniform would indicate it's not a commercial flight. What's the matter with you people? You will be no doubt horrified to know that in my 44 years in aviation I have sat either left or right seat - and occasionally even hand flown - a variety of airliners ranging from the Comet 4 to the L-1011. I have never held a pilot's licence. Before the lunatics took over the asylum this was more common an event than you could believe. I can't recall airliners falling out of the sky all over the place. There will always be one offs, but as I have already said, even those who are qualified and rated have totally stuffed it for no good reason.

[helen-damnation]

but was he current on anything? did he have a sim session before his flight?

Was he legally required to do so?

Not a commercial flight, not for hire or reward, qualified person in the other seat, person who was in the seat is now a safety (monitoring) pilot etc etc.

[repariit]

Boeing make films of each aircraft SIM with one pilot doing take off, climb, approach, GA, engine failure, single engine approach and landing.

I believe that such a film was made at the beginning of the 737 program with an actual flight showing an empty right seat and an engine failure on takeoff, and manual gear extension, in addition to the items in the quoted list.

[misd-agin]

Oh my goodness, someone's mom flying the airplane! That's so dangerous.

The reality is she is flying at high alititude and cruise mach. That's harder than hand flying at 16,000'.

Video also shows the pitch sensitivity(look at VSI/VVI in the video), and small control movements, required at high altitude. Might be a good video to show non jet guys transitioning to jets.

Hand flying the 787 by a non-rated guy on a non-commercial flight, especially at medium altitudes? Non event.

[Pugilistic Animus]

Hotel Tango, I am not going to argue with you

[dazdaz1]

I know it's off topic, but 'mom' looks a very attractive lady.

[DozyWannabe]

Originally Posted by B-HKD

The Aeroflot A310 accident was caused by the captains son turning the control column and disabling the A/P lateral mode. Not only did the Captain fail to notice this, but while attempting to recover the ever increasing bank, he failed to turn off the A/P all together which would have given him full control over the aircraft again.

Hmm - a few salient points:

• While I think said pilot held Captain rank, he was not PIC on that flight
• Aeroflot A310 crews told investigators that the engagement of CWS mode by turning the yoke for 30 seconds was not covered in their training - it's likely he'd never have allowed them to touch the yoke if it was
• None of the flight crew, including the PIC, batted an eyelid at allowing the kids on the flight deck and in the seat, which implies that this was not a one-off
• Soviet-era jets apparently only allowed AP disconnect via the switch, and had no CWS mode
• By the time the boy raised the alarm, the aircraft's bank was on the verge of generating G-forces that prevented his father from reaching the AP disconnect
• The PF allowed the bank to progress, which implies he was not scanning his instruments

Ironically, even after the AP disconnected the A310 had a failsafe system which would return the aircraft to straight-and-level after an upset. All they had to do was release the yokes. The final stall was not a result of the boy's inputs, but that of the crew.

As flyboyike says though, this is a completely different matter from that being discussed on the thread.

[con-pilot]

Oh I agree that this was a terrible thing. We bought a DC-3 and just after the purchase, the boss, not a pilot at all, was allowed to get into the left seat while we were flying.

And we were all killed instantly. Had a hell of a funeral though.

All of us were killed again when he sat in the left seat of our new Falcon 50EX and then again in the new Falcon 900EX while we where in flight.

Oh shoot, I forgot the time we were all killed when I let a very good looking female TV reporter sit in the right seat of a 727 I was flying.


Some people need to get a life.

[Bergerie1]

What w bl**dy great fuss about nothing. Please get real.

[KBPsen]

With 50+ people on board it was just as dumb as HT's comments.

[Avman]

KBPsen, your the dumb one in my books. Don't know why you're picking particularly on HT. Plenty of others have more or less said the same and I agree: NO DANGER and a NON EVENT.

[KBPsen]

Thanks for that Avman. We have found a new revenue stream then. How about 5 minutes for 500 bucks? Imagine the extra income on a long-haul flight. It is after all a total non-event.

[Gemini Twin]

dazdaz1, I was thinking the same thing! Nice to see Mum's with extra talent.

[BARKINGMAD]

SHOCK, HORROR, CEO IN CONTROL!!!!

Great news!!!

The gaffer gets outa the office and down to the shop floor to see what it's like?

Pity a few more don't do the same, except they have to do it for 1 month of my (or any other line dog's roster), follow me everywhere except the crapper and my bed, sweat with me on the tarmac at RAK in 40c heat and do the externals whilst standing in/near the packs exhaust, shadow me in the bumpy van-with-seats ride to outstations and back pre and post flight, get the same "rest" and be on the go for the same duty hours permitted by our (foreign) FTLs, eat the same crew food, no more and no less, go to sleep at 0500 in a strange bed disturbed all day by the crew disturbance unit a k a "housekeeping", and be bright as a button at the end of it, well able to perform in the latest HR aptitude tests which are this year's flavour!!!!

And if he/she is still on their feet and compus mentus at the end of it, then they are qualified to dictate what we are supposed to be capable of.

BRILLIANT IDEA.

Any takers from the CEOs out there??