BALPA recognition pays off at Easy
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Puzzle me this....?
Why, when anybody dares criticise their employer, is the reaction from those who oppose such criticisms a summary resignation? I should think that the majority are very much for improvement in areas quite obviously in need of the same.
Kick the tires, thanks but I was aware that it was a 6 monthly profit and as for the 12 monthly one it could be even better too - as you say, we are perfectionists and we do see areas where improvement could and should be made every day. Lets hope they are because the cost base is very much a priority and needs to be continually reviewed in order for us to keep our competeive edge.
Why, when anybody dares criticise their employer, is the reaction from those who oppose such criticisms a summary resignation? I should think that the majority are very much for improvement in areas quite obviously in need of the same.
Kick the tires, thanks but I was aware that it was a 6 monthly profit and as for the 12 monthly one it could be even better too - as you say, we are perfectionists and we do see areas where improvement could and should be made every day. Lets hope they are because the cost base is very much a priority and needs to be continually reviewed in order for us to keep our competeive edge.
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I am entitled to my opinions,I am entitled to express my opinions, and guess what....so are you!!! And I will not criticize you for doing so...theres the difference.
I am entitled to my opinions,I am entitled to express my opinions, and guess what....so are you!!! And I will not criticize you for doing so...theres the difference.
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Referring to earlier comments regarding rosters, Zulu is correct in saying that almost everyone at GO are impressed by the way the rostering department is run - how many crew could say that of their company? Although the notion of fixed rostering initially sounds appealing if it is not backed up by some flexibility with RDO's (requested days off) then the negatives outway the positives in my book.
Indeed, there are few areas of the GO operation that are poor.
Operations discus their decision making and are open to suggestions.
Security department is excellent. The detection of fraud is superb.
Communication good.
Basically the employees have respect for management (loads for Babs) and it appears that management respect and value the employees.
The result is that most are disapointed by the possibility of the takeover. The one hope we have is that the Easy management are bright enough to take on board the areas where GO may do things better than Easy.
If the Easy pilots feel that their rostering is poor and BALPA have any say in Easy then maybe they should push for the adoption of our rostering when the time comes? The future's orange? Work together and it could be a happier orange!
Indeed, there are few areas of the GO operation that are poor.
Operations discus their decision making and are open to suggestions.
Security department is excellent. The detection of fraud is superb.
Communication good.
Basically the employees have respect for management (loads for Babs) and it appears that management respect and value the employees.
The result is that most are disapointed by the possibility of the takeover. The one hope we have is that the Easy management are bright enough to take on board the areas where GO may do things better than Easy.
the best bits of both
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Yak Pilot, we are given 4 RDO's per year. Don't spend them all at once! The reason our rostering is so appalling is because of a certain person in that department, who is completely and utterly incompetent, which is widely recognised. Thankfully easyland has a no blame culture, so his job is as safe as houses for a long time to come.
So for as long as he keeps his job, there will be no improvement in rostering. Period. (The fact that eJ is probably the only airline in the industry whereby rostering is NOT under flight ops control does not help either).
Regards,
So for as long as he keeps his job, there will be no improvement in rostering. Period. (The fact that eJ is probably the only airline in the industry whereby rostering is NOT under flight ops control does not help either).
Regards,
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We fly 800 - 850 hours a year in Go, yet our rosters are only changed once in the proverbial blue moon. RDO's are accommodated whenever possible. If we are (rarely) asked to do extra sectors or accept a serious change in roster it is always done politely and at our discretion, most will therefore oblige. The net result of treating crews with respect (man !) is a well motivated and efficient front line operation. Simply because there is a no blame culture (yuk) in Easy should not absolve those in authority from seeking to improve a poor situation. If those involved cannot then move them sideways! The best of both they say, I sure hope so.
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When you aquire another company you are buying their assets, including hardware and personnel. You keep the good bits of theirs and yours, and chuck out the rubbish. easyJet crew food has improved vastly recently due personnel changes. I have a good feeling that rostering may do so too after the "merger"!
Happy days to come!
Happy days to come!
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As mentioned above, when 2 companies merge the good things from both are kept and the crap is thrown away, I hope this will be the case if and when this merger takes place, as I am fed up of people changing the goal posts all the time without any warning or worse even, not consulting the work force! What has happened to this so called fantastic 6 on 3 off? It is now 7 on 2 off! And well what about the fantastic pay review???
Well it can only get better, surely?!
Well it can only get better, surely?!
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You have been misled by another post.
I, and everyone else, work 6 on 3 off.
The first or last day of the 3 off may follow or preceed a late finish or early start. Of the 6 on - 1 ,sometimes 2, days are often a home standby. I have been called from standby only 8 times this YEAR.
Please do not try and state that the working practice is 7 on 2 off because that is just not true.
My roster pattern is similar to many others I have spoken to.
I freely admit that occaisionally things change and you might have to work the 7th day. This is not the 'norm' and, at least for the last 2 years, has not been the case.
You have been misled by another post.
I, and everyone else, work 6 on 3 off.
The first or last day of the 3 off may follow or preceed a late finish or early start. Of the 6 on - 1 ,sometimes 2, days are often a home standby. I have been called from standby only 8 times this YEAR.
Please do not try and state that the working practice is 7 on 2 off because that is just not true.
My roster pattern is similar to many others I have spoken to.
I freely admit that occaisionally things change and you might have to work the 7th day. This is not the 'norm' and, at least for the last 2 years, has not been the case.
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I think the 'Bokkie' may well work for Easy.
While I too have generally enjoyed a proper six on three off as you have, some have not. I personally have seen one roster where there was no three days off block for the whole month!
Finishing at 0300 does NOT constitute a day off by the legal definition, and starting at 0500 or 0300 or whatever takes the company's fancy does not make the previous day a legal day off either.
As the new roster system has been in place only since April this year I have no idea where you come from with this... 'at least for the last two years' business.
Credit where it's due I agree but lets keep it honest.
I think the 'Bokkie' may well work for Easy.
While I too have generally enjoyed a proper six on three off as you have, some have not. I personally have seen one roster where there was no three days off block for the whole month!
Finishing at 0300 does NOT constitute a day off by the legal definition, and starting at 0500 or 0300 or whatever takes the company's fancy does not make the previous day a legal day off either.
As the new roster system has been in place only since April this year I have no idea where you come from with this... 'at least for the last two years' business.
Credit where it's due I agree but lets keep it honest.
The 6 on 3 off simply is not happening for a significant number of pilots at the present. In the first six weeks of the new system I have had 4 weeks of 7 on 2 off. That included a finish at gone 0300L and a start 2 days later at 0600L. They are the simple facts. If you are getting 6 on 3 off enjoy them, many are not, although this does seem to driven by the shortage of FO's at the present.
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Err.... I know I've woken up rather late in the day.... but "Easy Pilots' are amongst the lowest paid 737 pilots??????" Come on guys you must all have your head up someone's @rse!!! Is it particularly brown and smelly up there perchance?
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My post was indeed honest.
I am well aware that the new system has only been in place a short time.
I was referring to the fact that 7 on 2 off wasn't the 'norm' before either.
I have only worked 7 consecutive days about 3 or 4 times in the last 2 years. I've done plenty of 6s. That is fact not fiction and it isn't by any means unique.
I can't give accurate comparisons as I don't have the data but, of the many people I have flown with, only a handful have mentioned having to work 7/2 and, even then, not regularly. Rosters, by the way, are a frequent topic of discussion of course.
Of course I know it happens - and when it does it is a right pain in the ar$e - but let's not give the false impression that this is the normal state of affairs.
Anyway, if the system at GO is as good as I have heard and we really do want the best of both comanies, surely that's the way ahead.
My post was indeed honest.
I am well aware that the new system has only been in place a short time.
I was referring to the fact that 7 on 2 off wasn't the 'norm' before either.
I have only worked 7 consecutive days about 3 or 4 times in the last 2 years. I've done plenty of 6s. That is fact not fiction and it isn't by any means unique.
I can't give accurate comparisons as I don't have the data but, of the many people I have flown with, only a handful have mentioned having to work 7/2 and, even then, not regularly. Rosters, by the way, are a frequent topic of discussion of course.
Of course I know it happens - and when it does it is a right pain in the ar$e - but let's not give the false impression that this is the normal state of affairs.
Anyway, if the system at GO is as good as I have heard and we really do want the best of both comanies, surely that's the way ahead.
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FlapsOne, you said:
'I, and everyone else, work 6 on 3 off.'
If you think that is completely honest see Airbrakes' post above just for starters, it is not so.
If one of the three days is a 'Flexi day' its not a day off!
I never suggested 7 on 2 off was the normal state of affairs, but it's not unusual either, I had one this month, proving your quote to be incorrect.
'I, and everyone else, work 6 on 3 off.'
If you think that is completely honest see Airbrakes' post above just for starters, it is not so.
If one of the three days is a 'Flexi day' its not a day off!
I never suggested 7 on 2 off was the normal state of affairs, but it's not unusual either, I had one this month, proving your quote to be incorrect.
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Nice to hear that GO pilots/and other staff respect their managers, especially BC. And that they seem to be in general reasonably happy about the state of affairs. It will be interesting to hear from them after the merger what they think about easyJet. Obviously we at easyJet can only hope that the merger will bring us the good things which GO staff enjoy at the moment; good rostering, sensible policy on RDO's, better salary, staff (interline) travel etc. This may happen only if the easyJet management will be removed and the ones from GO start to run business. After all, the financial papers have always praised GO management as the most competent in the industry, and hopefully the best managers will be put in charge.
(by the way, how would you guys at GO feel if you did NOT have the normal (airline) interline travel package? Which practically everyone in any airline do have. Soon you may not have it!)
(by the way, how would you guys at GO feel if you did NOT have the normal (airline) interline travel package? Which practically everyone in any airline do have. Soon you may not have it!)
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The thread has become abit diluted! It started off about BALPA and on that theme, I have noticed a new set of minutes to our pay discussions. JP has now given his final offer, what happens next ? Anybody know.
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Sorry to take so long before I could reply to this but I have just finished a 7 on 2 off pattern, only kidding.
Flaps one, I know that it is not the norm to work 7 on 2 off but it does happen and that is what's wrong, we kind of all accepted that on the 6th day we could have to finish at 0300 local but then with no warning and no notices to crew or indeed consultation someone found fit to just change that to 0400 local, enough said...
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Flaps one, I know that it is not the norm to work 7 on 2 off but it does happen and that is what's wrong, we kind of all accepted that on the 6th day we could have to finish at 0300 local but then with no warning and no notices to crew or indeed consultation someone found fit to just change that to 0400 local, enough said...
Safe flying regards,
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