Incident at Heathrow
From the usual excellent reliable news source (AvHerald):
On May 29th the NTSB reported quoting the AAIB, that both engine cowl doors separated during takeoff and fell onto the runway, one engine was leaking fuel and had been shut down, they were returning to Heathrow. Later the crew reported the other (still running) engine was on fire, the aircraft continued for a safe landing, was shut down and evacuated. The NTSB assigned an accredited representative into the investigation led by the AAIB.
On May 29th the NTSB reported quoting the AAIB, that both engine cowl doors separated during takeoff and fell onto the runway, one engine was leaking fuel and had been shut down, they were returning to Heathrow. Later the crew reported the other (still running) engine was on fire, the aircraft continued for a safe landing, was shut down and evacuated. The NTSB assigned an accredited representative into the investigation led by the AAIB.
Firstly, it would be a very unusual breach of etiquette for the NTSB, in assisting an AAIB investigation, to release information that AFAIK the AAIB itself has not yet placed in the public domain.
Secondly, we know from the video showing the thrust reverser deployment that the aircraft landed with No1 engine operating. If it, too, was on fire then it's strange that none of the video or eyewitness evidence supports this claim. In fact, AvHerald also quotes a passenger on board as saying:
"I was a passenger on the flight sitting next to engine that caught fire. Facts are that covers (cowls?) on both engines fell off at take off and hit the airplane. Liquid started leaking as we climbed further. Took 10-15 minutes before the captain announced return. As descending the fire broke out in the right engine - quite a blaze at first - burned maybe 30 sec to 1 minute - then it died down as the right engine got cut off. Aircraft swayed a bit before it continued in a stable descent. Worried about the left engine as it was fully exposed as well. Landed maybe 5 minutes+ later pretty normal with 1 engine running"
NTSB statement here:
ENG13WA029
An Airbus A319-131, registration number G-EUOE, during departure from London-Heathrow International Airport, had the engine cowls from both International Aero Engines V2500 engines separate and fall on to the runway. The pilots reported that they shut down one engine, there was a fuel leak, and that they were returning. The pilots subsequently reported that one engine was shut down and the other engine was on fire. The airplane landed, was shut down, and the passengers were evacuated via the emergency slides.
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Yes, I remember your captains saying the same thing.....
My captains too........
You just cannot trust those youngsters
When was that famous crash with the captain joking about ducks and copilots?
My captains too........
You just cannot trust those youngsters
When was that famous crash with the captain joking about ducks and copilots?
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Warning about what exactly?
This thread is about the possibility of engine cowels being unsecured? Have you been warning about that for a long time?
When was the last death directly attributable to UK commercial aviation? Whose generation was it?
If CVRs and FDRs had been available for the last 50 years would the current generations be able to sit here and pick apart the flying skills and decision making of previous generations? Would they discover some howling errors? Would they be amazed with what older generations have gotten away with? Have the sands of time covered over these errors to the extent that they will never be on public record, unlike current incidents/accidents?
I'm very sure that most pilots on here, of all generations, can uncomfortably point to errors over their careers that may possible have led to something a lot more serious had other variables lined up. They/we got away with them due to luck and good fortune. Nothing else!
The older I get the better I was...!
This thread is about the possibility of engine cowels being unsecured? Have you been warning about that for a long time?
When was the last death directly attributable to UK commercial aviation? Whose generation was it?
If CVRs and FDRs had been available for the last 50 years would the current generations be able to sit here and pick apart the flying skills and decision making of previous generations? Would they discover some howling errors? Would they be amazed with what older generations have gotten away with? Have the sands of time covered over these errors to the extent that they will never be on public record, unlike current incidents/accidents?
I'm very sure that most pilots on here, of all generations, can uncomfortably point to errors over their careers that may possible have led to something a lot more serious had other variables lined up. They/we got away with them due to luck and good fortune. Nothing else!
The older I get the better I was...!
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Didn't we always say that the Swissair cockpit fire gave us some important lessons (yes, I know it would not have mattered, but we should learn)?
How many passengers died?
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Fair enough.
Whilst factually correct, I'm sure you'll agree that a catastrophic Main Rotor Gearbox failure would have challenged a crew of any generation, whether you pointed the aircraft at the runway and commanded gear and flaps or not.
I hope the gist of my post was still understood?
Whilst factually correct, I'm sure you'll agree that a catastrophic Main Rotor Gearbox failure would have challenged a crew of any generation, whether you pointed the aircraft at the runway and commanded gear and flaps or not.
I hope the gist of my post was still understood?
I'm sure you'll agree that a catastrophic Main Rotor Gearbox failure would have challenged a crew of any generation, whether you pointed the aircraft at the runway and commanded gear and flaps or not.
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My parameters lie within the topic of the thread. That's why I posted. Tangential discussions based on dissecting minute detail hold no interest to me I'm afraid.
I believe that my point was clear.
I believe that my point was clear.
I believe that my point was clear.
I wonder when the last death directly attributable to UK commercial aviation occured?
When was the last death directly attributable to UK commercial aviation? Whose generation was it?
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"The older I get, the better I was!"
Absolutely priceless. Thanks for sharing!
And just when you thought things couldn't get more cringeworthy along comes Lord Spandex! Exactly the kind of person you NEVER want to share a flight deck with!
Us old duffers really should learn to accept that it doesn't matter how many hours you have in your logbook. The junior guy in the other seat can often be the only person who can save you from your own ego!!
The question about ducks and co pilots is a perfect example. Google it if you're not familiar! Add 'Staines Trident' or 'Papa India' if necessary.
It may not be a democracy, but to be anything less than a team is frequently a bad result!!
No suggestion WHATSOEVER of that in the case we are discussing. Such is now the BA way, and LONG may it continue!!!! Maybe I've just been spoiled!
Absolutely priceless. Thanks for sharing!
Yes, I remember your captains saying the same thing.....
My captains too........
You just cannot trust those youngsters
My captains too........
You just cannot trust those youngsters
Us old duffers really should learn to accept that it doesn't matter how many hours you have in your logbook. The junior guy in the other seat can often be the only person who can save you from your own ego!!
The question about ducks and co pilots is a perfect example. Google it if you're not familiar! Add 'Staines Trident' or 'Papa India' if necessary.
It may not be a democracy, but to be anything less than a team is frequently a bad result!!
No suggestion WHATSOEVER of that in the case we are discussing. Such is now the BA way, and LONG may it continue!!!! Maybe I've just been spoiled!
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A lot of the A319s that BA own are going around with white engine cowlings on the right hand side. Anyone know anything about this? As it's only been this week that many have them now.
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Yes, I remember your captains saying the same thing.....
My captains too........
You just cannot trust those youngsters
My captains too........
You just cannot trust those youngsters
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A lot of the A319s that BA own are going around with white engine cowlings on the right hand side. Anyone know anything about this? As it's only been this week that many have them now.
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