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Jomsom is a very short runway in a valley between mountains. The mountains can cause massive windshear problems, there is no guarantee that the wind direction at any point on the runway is in way related to that at any other point. The Twotter is a fine aircraft for Nepal conditions but if a gust takes you off piste before you have enough weight on the wheels there is nothing you can do about it.
The press may quote Nepal's poor safety record but the facts are rather more complex, the roads into the mountains are far more dangerous and little more than goat tracks in places. Flying is by far the safest option.
Nepal has some of the most challenging flying conditions in the world, pilots who fly there have to be the best. RESPECT.
The press may quote Nepal's poor safety record but the facts are rather more complex, the roads into the mountains are far more dangerous and little more than goat tracks in places. Flying is by far the safest option.
Nepal has some of the most challenging flying conditions in the world, pilots who fly there have to be the best. RESPECT.
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I agree with the ancient greek...
Real pilots can normally conduct flights in this region normally...
However, most Real pilots having never been exposed to this type of flying, would choke on their first check out...
My hat is off to these guys/gals...Of course they would rather be "Mainline" at a Major Carrier...OR MAYBE NOT!
Any Real pilot who has been confronted with the conditions these pilots encounter on a daily basis...most likely couldn't handle flying under these conditions...
I'd like to give it a go, but every day?
The heart would give out before your medical...
My hat is off to them...DI3G....
Real pilots can normally conduct flights in this region normally...
However, most Real pilots having never been exposed to this type of flying, would choke on their first check out...
My hat is off to these guys/gals...Of course they would rather be "Mainline" at a Major Carrier...OR MAYBE NOT!
Any Real pilot who has been confronted with the conditions these pilots encounter on a daily basis...most likely couldn't handle flying under these conditions...
I'd like to give it a go, but every day?
The heart would give out before your medical...
My hat is off to them...DI3G....
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Since I have first hand experience in Nepal , I would never fly a Nepalese carrier .Pilots often talk about lukla as the scariest place to land , Jomsom would be a close second. It just receives less press.
There are few things in Nepal you can't change like the mountains but what the major regulators bodies can assist the Nepalese aviation in changing is training standards , education on CFIT , and SOP's .
These are extremely brave people who are inadequately trained and equipped .
There fore they leave all to karma . Unless bodies like ICAO or JAA put pressure and offer assistance nothing is going to change . remember Sita airways crash in KTM just a few months back.
FYI local airlines sent their pilots outside Nepal for sim training but none of them are required to do a check ride abroad since most of their pilots are put down. They hire expats with dubious places as examiners and do their check rides in Nepal. Also most small turbo training like the twin otter done directly on the aircraft with local pilots. Most pilots have inadequate instrument training to handle IMC conditions .
I just hope Regulators take notice since most local traffic are tourists visiting the Himalayas .
There are few things in Nepal you can't change like the mountains but what the major regulators bodies can assist the Nepalese aviation in changing is training standards , education on CFIT , and SOP's .
These are extremely brave people who are inadequately trained and equipped .
There fore they leave all to karma . Unless bodies like ICAO or JAA put pressure and offer assistance nothing is going to change . remember Sita airways crash in KTM just a few months back.
FYI local airlines sent their pilots outside Nepal for sim training but none of them are required to do a check ride abroad since most of their pilots are put down. They hire expats with dubious places as examiners and do their check rides in Nepal. Also most small turbo training like the twin otter done directly on the aircraft with local pilots. Most pilots have inadequate instrument training to handle IMC conditions .
I just hope Regulators take notice since most local traffic are tourists visiting the Himalayas .
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I checked the schedule and it looks like the flights to Jomsom are like those to Humde, which I once watched. They are very early in the morning, before the wind, turbulence and thermals pick up. It is clearly very early in the first video - you can see the low angle of the light.
The Twotter at Humde flew up the valley (the peaks are 8,000m), landed up the grass strip, turned around, switched baggage and passengers and took off down the strip and flew back down the valley. I have some photos, somewhere, taken from the roof of my breakfast stop.
Walking down the valleys once the wind picks up is unpleasent as you are walking into the wind and the dust in it. It drops quickly at sunset.
(edit) of course flying early in the morning also means it's cool.
The Twotter at Humde flew up the valley (the peaks are 8,000m), landed up the grass strip, turned around, switched baggage and passengers and took off down the strip and flew back down the valley. I have some photos, somewhere, taken from the roof of my breakfast stop.
Walking down the valleys once the wind picks up is unpleasent as you are walking into the wind and the dust in it. It drops quickly at sunset.
(edit) of course flying early in the morning also means it's cool.
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As I said above...I'm pretty sure I could do it, with a proper check out...As a "Been There, Done That", a great notch on the old resume....But every day?
Give these folks credit...who among us would work for the wages they probably receive?
It is what it is...
Think of the new "cadets" who are SIC (P2) on a B-747 or A-340 Transatlantic...Sure, they can do that...but if things go "bump in the night"? (AF 447 comes to mind)
In no case could these 250 hour boy/girl wonders even think of flying safely into these airports in Nepal...
I could, and have the "horsepower" of knowledge and experience to back it up...
But at my age, let's leave it for our highly compentant counterparts in Nepal...
(Ready for Flack now...)
Give these folks credit...who among us would work for the wages they probably receive?
It is what it is...
Think of the new "cadets" who are SIC (P2) on a B-747 or A-340 Transatlantic...Sure, they can do that...but if things go "bump in the night"? (AF 447 comes to mind)
In no case could these 250 hour boy/girl wonders even think of flying safely into these airports in Nepal...
I could, and have the "horsepower" of knowledge and experience to back it up...
But at my age, let's leave it for our highly compentant counterparts in Nepal...
(Ready for Flack now...)
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One more crash in Nepal .Aviation Herald reports a Dornier 228 crash landed at Simikot in Nepal . No reported injuries 5 pax and 2 crew on board. Crashes in Nepal will keep happening
