SAS (Commuter) bringing out the axe!!!

[stab trim]

'It is time for the union to put a stop to the outsourcing !'

He,he
May be it's time for the unions to negotiate conditions with SAS making the need for outsourcing obsolete. I believe better pilot productivity within SAS is the best way to ensure SAS management see no reason for outsourcing. The alternative is ever increased use of outsourcing, and eventually we'll see other airlines (also independent of SAS) taking over the SAS business. SAS unions, the choice is yours ! Good luck, and welcome to the real world !

[Zico]

Said by a BU engineer! Surprise!
Oh, and here I was, thinking that in "the real world", companies that couldn´t make it would go bust. Naiive me! But a little collegial respect towards those who saved your job, instead of your sarcasm towards future colleagues, would be nice to see.

Thankfully "scope clauses" are not outlawed yet. And when some are hopefully adopted in the near future, maybe "stab trim" will see what the real world can be like! This written in response to several of your posts on different threads.

[KADS]

Props...

I'm glad to hear that they are working on it cuz that ain't the picture I got when I spoke to them a few weeks ago. I hope they realize that speed is of the essence!

Zico, fully agree. It is strange to see that Braathens is expecting a whole diffrent attitude from SAS than the one they themselves showed Malmö Aviation when they aquired them....

A little humbleness would be expected....

[KADS]

Any news as to what the latest on this is.....?

[KADS]

Still nuthin'?

[KADS]

After yesterdays press conference, surely there must be some news regarding this thread?

[Fizze]

kads

I think Commuter will eventually go bust, They have never been making a profit. SAS airline have paid so many things for them its crazy, like de-icing using there operations in many ways. Outsorcing will be the word in the future. I think we all se where we are going.

[KADS]

That would be sad for the entire scandinavian pilot community, if outsourcing will be the name of the game in the future....... I hope the various pilot unions wake up and smell the coffee!

[penguin]

If Cimber picks up the slack, do you consider that to be outsourcing?

[pilot18]

There are a lot of misunderstandings considering the relationship between SAS and SC. SC is not supposed to make a profit. The money we have left at the end of the year goes to SAS. If SC is in the red, we get money. The only function of SC is to fly smaller routes with smaller airplanes with a smaller overhead cost(admin etc etc), than SAS.And, of course, the pilots and C/A get a smaller paycheck. When media describes SAS Airline, it'
s really SAS/SC. Flight deck are recruited together, then you get placed on 737, MD80, or Q400. Thus, the same sen. list. In this particular case, SAS has decided that the A/C type Q400 is to fly a certain number of sectors, requering a certain number of Q400 and, a certain number of pilots. Since Q400 pilots are legally hired by a different company, SC, than 737 pilots, we are fired and my buddy gets 50%. That is the deal today. Good or bad.
Oh, SC are not allowed to seek extra production for our extra 2 Q400. Anyone want a wetlease...?
SAS Airline (not included SC) have taken care of their pilots. SAS Commuter have not....there is the REAL difference between the two companies.

Best regards..

[KADS]

Penguin, I'm not sure excactly what you mean, but if you mean that Cimber picks up what SAS is abondoning and SAS keeps flying thier pax with Cimber, as codeshare, yeah I do consider that a kind of outsourcing. My point is that if the unions allow the larger companies to drop routes to the benifit of smaller ones within the same "co-operation", in the long run the working conditions for the entire pilot community in scandinavia will be lower. Every smaller airline's unions look to the bigger airlines when they cut deals and value their workforce's "worth" and thereby, if we allow a larger amount of production being flown at a lesser "cost" (read pilot salary, worse union deal etc) the overall standard for the pilot community will be lower. Soon Cimber's pilots will see there own production being taken by a company where the production is even cheaper ie. even lesser paid pilots with worse union deals etc. Therefore my opinion is that the unions should work towards initially strive to have the "original" production supplier slim their operations a much as possible before giving it up to lesser paid pilots (productions suppliers). Im not saying that production that is totally un-economical for a company to fly, should be held on to, but if you look att SC work loss contra the pick up for Wideroe and Braathens that is morally wrong and will lessen the union deal standards in the long run.

Secondly a think it is a shame what the SC union is doing to their pilots compared to SAS Airline. It is time to put pressure on your union representatives!

[pilot18]

oh...and by the way...it's the same union....SAS First officer section ( SAS FO and SC pilots).....
These are very interesting times indeed....