An Emirates' A380 door "pops" in-flight
short flights long nights
And come to think of it, where did the duct tape come from? But let's keep the rubbish rolling along.
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"This was nothing more than a leaky seal in a door"
Sudden decompression must be frightening, especially when you don't know if the situation is going to get worse!
Sudden decompression must be frightening, especially when you don't know if the situation is going to get worse!
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One of the more nonsensical stories even by the Daily Mail's pathetic standards : I hope Emirates, if they do hear from this (paid?) correspondent or his (no win-no fee?) lawyers, tell him to take a flying leap.
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I think a lot of the posts above are slightly unfair on the passengers who experienced and presumably reported this. I've sat with Mrs J-Class next to a very noisily leaking seal on an A320 window exit and the combination of weird sound effects - which gave the impression that something was wrong with the engine - and freezing air was causing anxiety to everyone sitting nearby. The captain came down to reassure us everything was OK, which was the right way to handle this kind of thing.
On a newish model such as the A380, with a recent history of near-disaster, I'm not at all surprised at the reaction.
On a newish model such as the A380, with a recent history of near-disaster, I'm not at all surprised at the reaction.
If there was an explosive decompression, did they then tuck all the oxygen masks back in while the pax were still disembarking? I noticed they forgot the line about the oxygen masks not working.....
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On a newish model such as the A380, with a recent history of near-disaster, I'm not at all surprised at the reaction.
The B747 (around 1500 built) alone has killed more than all the fly by wire airbuses (around 5000 built) ever built together (A319/320/321/330/340/380).
So please don't participate to this witch hunt that we regularly see with the A380, or with the Airbuses in general.
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"This was nothing more than a leaky seal in a door
Sudden decompression must be frightening, especially when you don't know if the situation is going to get worse!"
Sorry A Grunt but that's all it really was. There is a history of a bit of noise from the UR/L 2 doors on a couple of the frames, however the blankets mitigate that quite well and they have been thoroughly tested.
This is pure crash for cash and nothing more and I am appalled that this even made it to the press.
Interesting that if he had such a weak pulmonary system he was going to Honkers at chinese new year!!
Sudden decompression must be frightening, especially when you don't know if the situation is going to get worse!"
Sorry A Grunt but that's all it really was. There is a history of a bit of noise from the UR/L 2 doors on a couple of the frames, however the blankets mitigate that quite well and they have been thoroughly tested.
This is pure crash for cash and nothing more and I am appalled that this even made it to the press.
Interesting that if he had such a weak pulmonary system he was going to Honkers at chinese new year!!
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KAG wrote:
The B747 has killed 2852 persons. At least 49 B747 were completely destroyed, crashed.
The B747 (around 1500 built) alone has killed more than all the fly by wire airbuses (around 5000 built) ever built together (A319/320/321/330/340/380).
So please don't participate to this witch hunt that we regularly see with the A380, or with the Airbuses in general.
the Daily Fail would be proud.
Sadly, I have lost the newspaper cutting from the front of the Telegraph thast reported the engine surge after departure that I was flying many years ago. "Jet fire survivors given Valium jabs" was the tag-line.
IF ONLY journalists had to display the same high degree of accuracy that they would demand of us........
IF ONLY journalists had to display the same high degree of accuracy that they would demand of us........
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Ask yourself if the veracity of all journalism in mainstream news media is applied in equal measures across all stories. This story is the rule not the exception.
Hidden agenda's destroyed the purity of journalistic integrity many years ago. (Kick backs from Boeing perhaps)
Get yourself on T w i tt e r and follow stories that are based on facts and truth.
The Daily Mail has no reason for existing other than to fuel the ire of a nation of halfwitted teeth-grinders. Angry Middle Englanders lacking the wisdom to question anything that might ruffle their simple blame free existences.
Sadly the journalists who write these stories read these forums. They know they've been made to look stupid but rather than a moment of reflection, they react with sociopathic zeal, making their next story even more outrageous and patronising. You're dealing with
. Plain and simple.
Hidden agenda's destroyed the purity of journalistic integrity many years ago. (Kick backs from Boeing perhaps)
Get yourself on T w i tt e r and follow stories that are based on facts and truth.
The Daily Mail has no reason for existing other than to fuel the ire of a nation of halfwitted teeth-grinders. Angry Middle Englanders lacking the wisdom to question anything that might ruffle their simple blame free existences.
Sadly the journalists who write these stories read these forums. They know they've been made to look stupid but rather than a moment of reflection, they react with sociopathic zeal, making their next story even more outrageous and patronising. You're dealing with
. Plain and simple.
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A bacterial infection due to a broken doorseal? That's a new one to medical science!
I sincerely hope that this imbecile Mr Reid has his PPL pulled (if indeed he does have one) and is made to resit his exams as he clearly doesn't possess the knowledge required to be a safe passenger, let alone to fly an aeroplane.
If anyone knows this cretin I hope they'll direct him here so he can read what real pilots think of him.
I sincerely hope that this imbecile Mr Reid has his PPL pulled (if indeed he does have one) and is made to resit his exams as he clearly doesn't possess the knowledge required to be a safe passenger, let alone to fly an aeroplane.
If anyone knows this cretin I hope they'll direct him here so he can read what real pilots think of him.
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As a member of the flock of SLF who contribute to your lot's wages (and well-deserved they are too) I have to admit that my first port-of-call when I read a story such as this is to come along here and see what the real story is.
It's always cautionary to read the professionals in the field (any field - including mine) before reaching any conclusions.
I guess the point i that this time I came here purely out of habit. This story was of a standard that in retrospect seems inevitable, yet I didn't ever think that even the DM could get so many "facts" wrong.
I can just see the thin air rush in - laden with microbes - while the passengers scream and queue up to punch a hysterical passenger.
I can only guess that the DM had no Ryanair story this week and that they panicked.
Anyway, keep up the good work.
One minor question arises in my mind regarding this story, though: I can see how blankets would provide a pretty convenient sound baffle on a door which was whistling a bit; but do they pose any type of minor risk in the event of an emergency egress? Any chance that they could foul up the mechanism if someone tried to remove them in a panic in a dark scenario?
Genuine question.
It's always cautionary to read the professionals in the field (any field - including mine) before reaching any conclusions.
I guess the point i that this time I came here purely out of habit. This story was of a standard that in retrospect seems inevitable, yet I didn't ever think that even the DM could get so many "facts" wrong.
I can just see the thin air rush in - laden with microbes - while the passengers scream and queue up to punch a hysterical passenger.
I can only guess that the DM had no Ryanair story this week and that they panicked.
Anyway, keep up the good work.
One minor question arises in my mind regarding this story, though: I can see how blankets would provide a pretty convenient sound baffle on a door which was whistling a bit; but do they pose any type of minor risk in the event of an emergency egress? Any chance that they could foul up the mechanism if someone tried to remove them in a panic in a dark scenario?
Genuine question.
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jucylucy:
Remarkably like this question from tech log:
I'd like to take these geniuses to go snipe hunting at a nearby river which flows uphill.
Mr Reid has a pilots licence but forgets his basic physics, in his world low pressure outside can overcome the high pressure inside to "rush into the cabin"!!!
What happens to the bleed air that is used to turn the pneumatic starter on a typical turbofan? Is it returned to the pneumatic manifold, or is it exhausted overboard?
Blocking the exit
Hi Nailler, FYI ref.
- not at 35,000 feet. They would be removed well before the approach and landing.
Once had a passenger threatening cabin crew and frightening everyone else by creating merry hell about his exit being blocked with a drinks trolley .... over Mongolia at 39,000 feet !
As an aside in the DM article, our expert Mr Reid, said they were two hours into the flight...as I remember it BKK-HKG is about 2 hours and 45 minutes over the South China Sea so HKG was probably the closest airport give or take.
but do they pose any type of minor risk in the event of an emergency egress?
Once had a passenger threatening cabin crew and frightening everyone else by creating merry hell about his exit being blocked with a drinks trolley .... over Mongolia at 39,000 feet !
As an aside in the DM article, our expert Mr Reid, said they were two hours into the flight...as I remember it BKK-HKG is about 2 hours and 45 minutes over the South China Sea so HKG was probably the closest airport give or take.
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@Good Businss Sense,
Thanks for the reply. Clearly at 35000 feet they're not providing threat of ay type; I was wondering if in the event off an issue at lower altitude...
Then again, my guess (I emphasise that word) is that in the event of even the beginnings of an incident present themselves,the CC are trained to make sure all exits (including over-wing) are clear as a priority action.
I seem to recall reading somewhere about the "wheels-up" landing in Warsaw, where the CC even checked with the passengers over the wings that they were both calm and capable.
Sorry if my question came across as silly; I can understand the frustration of not just pilots but cabin crew when these type of stories hit the news-stands.
We SLF put our lives in your hands every time we fly, and the fact that I'm able to post shows that that relationship of trust is justified. Hell, the guys in the nose of the thing has every reason to get there safely too.
Thanks for the reply. Clearly at 35000 feet they're not providing threat of ay type; I was wondering if in the event off an issue at lower altitude...
Then again, my guess (I emphasise that word) is that in the event of even the beginnings of an incident present themselves,the CC are trained to make sure all exits (including over-wing) are clear as a priority action.
I seem to recall reading somewhere about the "wheels-up" landing in Warsaw, where the CC even checked with the passengers over the wings that they were both calm and capable.
Sorry if my question came across as silly; I can understand the frustration of not just pilots but cabin crew when these type of stories hit the news-stands.
We SLF put our lives in your hands every time we fly, and the fact that I'm able to post shows that that relationship of trust is justified. Hell, the guys in the nose of the thing has every reason to get there safely too.
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After reading through the comments section of the DM "report", it seems the large majority of hysterical comments come from the females. Perhaps one time where "calm down dear" is most appropriate.
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