Fired over a water bottle?
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Fired over a water bottle?
I recently heard that a Captain in one of the largest Middle-Eastern companies (no, not Emirates)has been fired after he took a bottle of water from one of the galleys while returning from duty. Suppusedly a Senior Cabin Crew member has reported about him(read:Snitched).
Now can this be true at all? Does this kind of stuff really happen at "the better companies"?
Now can this be true at all? Does this kind of stuff really happen at "the better companies"?
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Horrid ccompanies, not "better"
EK, EY And QR are not "better companies". They are representative of their home countries. i.e. slave labour-driven dustbowls. And their rules are applied unilaterally with no chance of appeal. So, yes, a Captain was grassed-up about a bottle of water and fired; check out where the Cabin Crew person came from....
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Why didn't he just pay for it or pick up water from crew stocks? I don't know what provision there is for crew water at Gulf carriers, but there will certainly be some.
Much as I sympathise with him regarding the excessive response from the airline, it is no secret that airlines' asset protection is high on the agenda in the current cost environment.
Hope he finds luck elsewhere.
Much as I sympathise with him regarding the excessive response from the airline, it is no secret that airlines' asset protection is high on the agenda in the current cost environment.
Hope he finds luck elsewhere.
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Always more to the story
Usually, there is more behind a story than what is initially apparent. This is one of those cases. From what I have been told and found out so far, this individual may have had a few other issues with this particular company.
On top of that, it was not crew water, but water that was reserved for the use of the Executive Class passengers. Crew have their own supply. Crewmembers had been specifically advise NOT to use the Executive Class supplies but rather use their own provisions.
I have not verified the facts, but did ask a fair number of questions as this type of action appears just too severe for an operating company. Not been here long, but so far find working here quite enjoyable. As with anywhere, know and abide by the rules, even the silly ones, as long as they do not endanger your passengers and crew (or yourself).
Also, investigate any story that seems "off".
On top of that, it was not crew water, but water that was reserved for the use of the Executive Class passengers. Crew have their own supply. Crewmembers had been specifically advise NOT to use the Executive Class supplies but rather use their own provisions.
I have not verified the facts, but did ask a fair number of questions as this type of action appears just too severe for an operating company. Not been here long, but so far find working here quite enjoyable. As with anywhere, know and abide by the rules, even the silly ones, as long as they do not endanger your passengers and crew (or yourself).
Also, investigate any story that seems "off".
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If you're talking about the "Evian Incident" at QR, yes it really happened - however it was a good 5 or 6 years ago.
Working environment in that outfit is absolutely unbelieveable ... the culture of fear, grassing up your workmates, cabin crew constantly reporting against pilots for any tiny infractions and vice versa, it's worse for cabin crew there's probably a dozen of them sacked every week, but the CEO likes to keep the pilots on their toes by occasionally sacking one or two of them for ridiculous minor offenses as well. They are the only airline in the world I believe that actually has a "termination department".
That, unfortunately, is the way the CEO wants it to be ... he can't provide, or isn't willing to pay for, a happy working environment or a loyal workforce, so the only way he can maintain some measure of control is the constant fear of instant dismissal hanging over everyone's head.
Working environment in that outfit is absolutely unbelieveable ... the culture of fear, grassing up your workmates, cabin crew constantly reporting against pilots for any tiny infractions and vice versa, it's worse for cabin crew there's probably a dozen of them sacked every week, but the CEO likes to keep the pilots on their toes by occasionally sacking one or two of them for ridiculous minor offenses as well. They are the only airline in the world I believe that actually has a "termination department".
That, unfortunately, is the way the CEO wants it to be ... he can't provide, or isn't willing to pay for, a happy working environment or a loyal workforce, so the only way he can maintain some measure of control is the constant fear of instant dismissal hanging over everyone's head.
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Well..... couple decades ago, a 25+ year in service cabin crew was fired at TWA (USA) for taking a small unopened carton of milk from the rubbish bin as it was being carried off the aircraft..it became a well publicized incident which resulted in the news media picketing outside the home of then CEO Carl Icahn, who finally relented and re-instated the crew member involved......something about her union involvement level.....rules are rules, like them or not...
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Guys there's no need to be cryptic about which airline it was, the incident has been discussed at length here on PPRUNE, just search for "Evian" on the forums and you'll find many threads on it.
I think AAB actually likes it when people talk about this stuff, the whole rule by fear thing only works when it's constantly in the front of people's minds, and everyone is constantly whispering and gossiping about "did you hear about him?! Can you believe he got sacked for that?!"
I think AAB actually likes it when people talk about this stuff, the whole rule by fear thing only works when it's constantly in the front of people's minds, and everyone is constantly whispering and gossiping about "did you hear about him?! Can you believe he got sacked for that?!"
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In a place I worked, some training captains came to fly with an empty flight case, and loaded it with drinks from the galley until the handle was almost bent when lifted... I find this to be really cheap, you make thousands of dollars working in a nice environment (NOT a low cost) and you can't by yourself some drinks? This is called theft. If you're thursty, drink on board, unless it was crew water you didn't finish and bring home, for the sake of not throwing it away.
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On top of that, it was not crew water, but water that was reserved for the use of the Executive Class passengers. Crew have their own supply. Crewmembers had been specifically advise NOT to use the Executive Class supplies but rather use their own provisions.
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My career is in medicine, not aviation but most of the employers I am familiar with have similar policies. They regard "theft" as grounds for immediate dismissal, and don't leave any gray area for minor, inconsequential things.
The stories are strikingly similar, with personnel being fired for using saline filled syringes to dampen a dry contact lens, or a couple of aspirin for a headache.
The stories are strikingly similar, with personnel being fired for using saline filled syringes to dampen a dry contact lens, or a couple of aspirin for a headache.
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Pray tell, what's the difference between crew water and executive class water?
Not as difficult as a V1 cut I would have thought. But then I suppose you don't get a chance to practise choosing a drink bottle four times a year in the sim...
Wasn't there a case a while ago where an unsuspecting ba FO took a swig from a water bottle in the galley - only to find to his horror that it was neat gin?
Not being stolen by cabin crew, but a way for them to smuggle alcohol into some dry country which didn't have a bar in the crew hotel.....
A remarkably succinct summary - and very accurate!
Not being stolen by cabin crew, but a way for them to smuggle alcohol into some dry country which didn't have a bar in the crew hotel.....
'slave labour-driven dustbowls'
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Crew Rations
I remember once having to eat all the crew rations before being allowed to exit the aircraft at Thorney Island. The "enforcers" were the RAF police and were adamant that the crew could not take any in-flight rations home. Happy days!