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Old 12th Jul 2012, 07:08
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Rekkof at Farnborough

Good morning gents,

I heard from a colleague that yesterday Rekkof made a presentation at Farnborough announcing that they are going to start production of the revitalized F120... (Fokker 100 stretched and with new P&W tfans): is anybody following the story? any suitable link?
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I heard from a colleague that yesterday Rekkof made a presentation at Farnborough announcing that they are going to start production of the
revitalized F120... (Fokker 100 stretched and with new P&W tfans): is anybody following the story? any suitable link?
Haven't they been saying that for a while now ?

I don't think many people in the industry seriously expect it to happen. For a start, they would need a new wing manufacturer - Bombardier are hardly likely to want to resume building them in Belfast for a project that would compete with the CSeries.
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From one of the Flightglobal reporters at Farnborough: artist's impression.
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Interesting, but also funny seeing a cabin window positioned almost inside the compressor intake... what kind of comfort will the passenger get?

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Haven't they been saying that for a while now ?

I don't think many people in the industry seriously expect it to happen. For a start, they would need a new wing manufacturer - Bombardier are hardly likely to want to resume building them in Belfast for a project that would compete with the CSeries.
Indeed it's a long story still on going... I don't think there can be issues with Bombardier, considering they already have a commercial agreement .. I am more worried about the investments necessary... where will they find the money?
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And the world needs another 100 - 120 seat jet?
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And the world needs another 100 - 120 seat jet?
Why not? With new regulations more and more aicrafts are getting obsolete, due to performance, to consumption and emissions etc.. without mentioning the number of machines continuously left on ground because of difficulty to find spare parts.

I believe an independent manufacturer competing with the A318/319 and B737 could only be beneficial to lower airline costs and let's not forget of the amazing Chinese area where more and more companies are rising up every day...
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Interesting, but also funny seeing a cabin window positioned almost inside the compressor intake... what kind of comfort will the passenger get?
It's no closer than current Fokker 100 passengers sit in relation to the Tay:



and I'd expect the GTF to be considerably quieter.

And the world needs another 100 - 120 seat jet?
Evidently so. They managed to get a 20 million Euro loan from the Dutch government, who I doubt will ever see it again:

http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleases...guiLanguage=en
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I think going by the impression that it looks good. If it looks good it is good so the saying goes. I sat next to the RR Tay intake on the F100 on many occasions and it was suprisingly quiet.
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Anyone here got millions to lose?

... Then invest in a warmed-over dinosaur project like this one.

Do they ever ask themselves why the Fokker 100 stopped selling?
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Do they ever ask themselves why the Fokker 100 stopped selling?
9/11 plus the noisy gas guzzling Tay engines.
Both no longer a factor.

OTOH the C Series and the Superjet will be stiff competition.
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Why not? With new regulations more and more aicrafts are getting obsolete, due to performance, to consumption and emissions etc.. without mentioning the number of machines continuously left on ground because of difficulty to find spare parts.

I believe an independent manufacturer competing with the A318/319 and B737 could only be beneficial to lower airline costs and let's not forget of the amazing Chinese area where more and more companies are rising up every day...
Why not?: 737-MAX7, A319neo, E-190, E-195, CS100, CS300, MRJ90, SS100 Superjet, AN158, ARJ21 - methinks that this market is a bit overcrowded already and with manufacturers / governments with much deeper pockets than Rekkof I'm sad to say.
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Nice to hear the project isn't dead. I enjoyed flying it, and deem it to be a good aeroplane; put some modern FADEC engines to it and off we go again.
But dear engineers, this time please don't put the PACKs under the pilot seats!!
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Hear, hear
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Have to agree with the two previous. I believe they ended up there for trim reasons. The Tays and their reversers were a lot heavier than the Speys on the F28. Other than that, the -100 was a very good aeroplane.
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The Packs were indeed a pain in the @ss (or more accurately the ears) but the main change I would like is adoption of Leading Edge Devices to make "death by NEI" less of a threat.

Oh, and please please DON'T change the speedbrakes, the VERY best feature of the machine
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Yes! Another RJ!

My favorite Fokker video:


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Turkish Airline dreams

Pretty good source confirmed today all possible 747-8 , B777 orders at Farnbough are delayed by THY. Also he mentioned the 3% play rise dead in the water . Hopefully I am wrong but source was legit.
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It's no closer than current Fokker 100 passengers sit in relation to the Tay:
Indeed you're right, but still I find somehow unpleasant the idea of travelling while enjoying the sight of a compressor spinning in one of my ears...

I sat next to the RR Tay intake on the F100 on many occasions and it was suprisingly quiet.
Next week I have an FCF on an F100; I will go and check of it feels sitting close to the engines I hope to be able to agree...
I am really curious!
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The aircraft was ill thought out and broke Fokker.
Besides the terrible noise from the packs which were prone to icing and strong vibrations - so severe that it triggered a eng vibration warning after lift off out of Madrid in summer; then there was silly freight compartment - too small as well as the doors - so baggage was either left behind or stuffed into the cabin.
Badly engineered gear - SR troubleshooter refused to accept it. One collapsed at Geneva and the replacement ( marchetti?) collapsed with the press on board.
Add to that the thick wing reduced MNO which meant that we couldnt get our cruise levels because of blocking the airway so were forced to fly lower.
Airbrakes were either in or out so to deploy them and not upset the pax we had to pull the nose up, slow the aircraft, deploy the brakes at the same time as pitching down.
Swissair gave the fleet to LX who promptly sold them...says it all.
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