Air India pilots on hunger strike over training spat
. Let the airline resemble a grape left unpicked to wither in the to fall of the vine.
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So now I tell my kids the modernized version of my fathers admonishment when I failed to clear my dinner plate..."think of all the starving people (now PILOTS) in India who have not"....
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This 'industrial' action could explain the reason behind the 'mistake' I saw an Air India B777 crew make in Shanghai Pudong a little while ago - they must've been preoccupied with the planning of the hunger strike, or were hypoglycemic as a result of an in-flight dress-rehearsal...
The big shiny bird was taxying towards the east terminal complex after landing. Anyone who has been to PVG knows that the terminal complex (any one of them) is a very big, brightly lit, hard-to-miss part of the airport. Taxying towards the eastern terminal complex in particular highlights the black-hole that is the southern end of Rwy 16/34, in stark contrast to the terminal/apron area.
Anyhow, our erstwhile crew were instructed to taxy via 'F' to 'F8', but instead of turning towards the brightly lit area (added clue being the large number of aircraft parked at the impressive, big building with many aerobridges), I watched as the 777 turned south away from the terminal complex and into the black hole!
Shortly after, an embarrassed-sounding voice admitted the error and asked for guidance (?!) to the terminal.
Maybe that event also goes a long way to understanding why Air India management decided to give the even-newer-and-more-shiny birds to the Indian Airlines pilots...
The big shiny bird was taxying towards the east terminal complex after landing. Anyone who has been to PVG knows that the terminal complex (any one of them) is a very big, brightly lit, hard-to-miss part of the airport. Taxying towards the eastern terminal complex in particular highlights the black-hole that is the southern end of Rwy 16/34, in stark contrast to the terminal/apron area.
Anyhow, our erstwhile crew were instructed to taxy via 'F' to 'F8', but instead of turning towards the brightly lit area (added clue being the large number of aircraft parked at the impressive, big building with many aerobridges), I watched as the 777 turned south away from the terminal complex and into the black hole!
Shortly after, an embarrassed-sounding voice admitted the error and asked for guidance (?!) to the terminal.
Maybe that event also goes a long way to understanding why Air India management decided to give the even-newer-and-more-shiny birds to the Indian Airlines pilots...
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How much would 11 B787 Plastic models with rolling boogies cost?
These idiots should be sacked on the spot,bunch of crying babies.
The airline should confiscate their severance pay and give it to local charity to feed some kids.
These idiots should be sacked on the spot,bunch of crying babies.
The airline should confiscate their severance pay and give it to local charity to feed some kids.
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These idiots should be sacked on the spot,bunch of crying babies.
The airline should confiscate their severance pay and give it to local charity to feed some kids.
The airline should confiscate their severance pay and give it to local charity to feed some kids.
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Air India does not need vijay mallyas sympathies. HA a pot calling a kettle black! First pay up all the income tax dues to the country Mr Mallya! Then we'll talk!
Mr Mallya knows what I am talking about! For the rest of the world, kingfisher deducted income tax from salaries of it's employees but conveniently did not pay the treasury for more than two years!
Any guesses what he did with the money? Any other country he would be behind bars! Here he is in the equivalent of house of Lords!
Again, air India does not need your sympathies Mr. Mallya!
Mr Mallya knows what I am talking about! For the rest of the world, kingfisher deducted income tax from salaries of it's employees but conveniently did not pay the treasury for more than two years!
Any guesses what he did with the money? Any other country he would be behind bars! Here he is in the equivalent of house of Lords! Again, air India does not need your sympathies Mr. Mallya!
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The pilots in Air India are some of the best this country has and rushing to replace them is going to cause a major safety hazard within the aviation sector. The pilots that are running the airline for the past 50 odd days are heavily overworked which again is another safety hazard. While we are all ready to hold the pilots responsible for everything that wrong at this point we fail to observe the lack of interest shown by the Air India management to resolve the ongoing issues.
The pilots are exposing the extent of corruption in Air India and Infact the improper use to which the taxpayers money is put to. As concerned citizens we should realize that the corruption and beauracracy in Air India is a mirror image of exactly what is wrong with our government and it's time we started holding the right people responsible. Supporting the pilots movement can only help in the betterment of the airline.
I for one empathize with the pilots of Air India and am glad that someone had the guts to stand up to and question authority.
The pilots are exposing the extent of corruption in Air India and Infact the improper use to which the taxpayers money is put to. As concerned citizens we should realize that the corruption and beauracracy in Air India is a mirror image of exactly what is wrong with our government and it's time we started holding the right people responsible. Supporting the pilots movement can only help in the betterment of the airline.
I for one empathize with the pilots of Air India and am glad that someone had the guts to stand up to and question authority.
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Everyone in this country seems to make the pilots of Air India out to be nothing more than a bunch of spoilt brats . In lieu of this I would like to bring to your notice that the striking pilots and the other employees of Air India have been working with delayed salaries of 6months over a period of
Most of these pilots have taken loans of upto 25 Lakhs which require them to make monthly EMI payments which they have been unable to do. Others have young families that they need to feed. I would like to know how many of you would work for a period of 6 months for free.
The losses Air India has incurred is a direct result of the poor decision making skills of the management and the inherent corruption in the airline and has nothing to do with the pilots. It is unfair that the employees should have to face the repercussions of something they haven't done.
As far as 'doing more than the others, and expecting less' is concerned the pilots have shown exemplary and extraordinary loyalty towards Air India the past couple of years living off minimal pay.
Most of these pilots have taken loans of upto 25 Lakhs which require them to make monthly EMI payments which they have been unable to do. Others have young families that they need to feed. I would like to know how many of you would work for a period of 6 months for free.
The losses Air India has incurred is a direct result of the poor decision making skills of the management and the inherent corruption in the airline and has nothing to do with the pilots. It is unfair that the employees should have to face the repercussions of something they haven't done.
As far as 'doing more than the others, and expecting less' is concerned the pilots have shown exemplary and extraordinary loyalty towards Air India the past couple of years living off minimal pay.
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No excuse for childish behavior just because one does not get to play with the new toys.
Only schmucks work for free
. Definitely not very professional or dignified to the profession. Especially one owned by the government.
Doesn't seem those on the sick out or on strike or what ever you want to call it are trying to get their plight out to the public with either news print, or informational picketing. Perhaps such actions are beneath their caste?
This statement, typical, is tantamount to "OH MY THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!"
. Facts and figures, need to be provided to substantiate statements like this. Many airlines round the world operate with qualified crews, be they replacement or additional staff to the airline without accidents nor incidents.
Only schmucks work for free
. Definitely not very professional or dignified to the profession. Especially one owned by the government.Doesn't seem those on the sick out or on strike or what ever you want to call it are trying to get their plight out to the public with either news print, or informational picketing. Perhaps such actions are beneath their caste?
The pilots in Air India are some of the best this country has and rushing to replace them is going to cause a major safety hazard within the aviation sector
. Facts and figures, need to be provided to substantiate statements like this. Many airlines round the world operate with qualified crews, be they replacement or additional staff to the airline without accidents nor incidents.
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Im not familiar with the aviation situation in that part of the world. So can anyone explian why the hatred to those pilots of that company?? what have they done in the past?? or is this pilots forum turning into bean counters forum????
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dlcmdrx, the airline industry in India is quite complicated but let me take a stab at it. In their prior avatar, Air India and Indian Airlines were government run with the former serving international routes and the latter serving the domestic sector. In the face of increasing competition from private airlines, they were both merged under the Air India brand.
To make a long story short, both were run along extremely bureaucratic lines and when they merged, a turf war erupted between their erstwhile employees and, amongst other grievances, this one involves who gets to fly the 787. And the fact that the politicians run the airline like their personal fiefdom (the former civil aviation minister's daughter had a A319 flying to her destination switched to an A320 in the last minute because there were not enough first class seats to accommodate her retinue) makes the twists and turns in the sordid goings-on worthy of a Bollywood pot-boiler.
I would like to sit back and enjoy all of them committing hara-kiri, but the fact that my tax money keeps this manger, which wouldn't survive a day in it's present form if it were privatized, under life-support makes it more of a tear-jerker for me than a Akira Kurosawa movie.
To make a long story short, both were run along extremely bureaucratic lines and when they merged, a turf war erupted between their erstwhile employees and, amongst other grievances, this one involves who gets to fly the 787. And the fact that the politicians run the airline like their personal fiefdom (the former civil aviation minister's daughter had a A319 flying to her destination switched to an A320 in the last minute because there were not enough first class seats to accommodate her retinue) makes the twists and turns in the sordid goings-on worthy of a Bollywood pot-boiler.
I would like to sit back and enjoy all of them committing hara-kiri, but the fact that my tax money keeps this manger, which wouldn't survive a day in it's present form if it were privatized, under life-support makes it more of a tear-jerker for me than a Akira Kurosawa movie.
