Passenger says she had "surgically implanted bomb"
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How would a surgically implanted bomb be detonated... GSM or manual detonation? If its a remotely detonated using GSM then retraining the passenger and sending fighter jets up will do nothing.
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"Imagine the psychological stress a crew would face if forced to disembark someone en-route without a parachute."
That pales into insignificance compared to the stress I am suffering from reading posts like the above, and to be frank, most of the rest of this thread
That pales into insignificance compared to the stress I am suffering from reading posts like the above, and to be frank, most of the rest of this thread
How would a surgically implanted bomb be detonated... GSM or manual detonation?
Seriously; any trigger would have to involve some external actuation. If its a contact placed under the skin, the individual could actuate it themselves. I don't know how easy it would be for the cabin crew/passengers to immobilize someone to prevent such action. How would they know exactly where the trigger was placed? If its by GSM (or other short range radio), the trigger signal could be provided by an accomplice on the aircraft. Or perhaps on the ground. But the attenuation of a subcutaneous receiver could render that somewhat problematic.
Its probably on a level with an underpants bomb. Not well researched by the perpetrators, so its probability of success is about as high as lighting a sweaty pair of BVDs.
What's up with all the fuss over the fighter escort?
This has occurred numerous time in recent years, both in or approaching US airspace and in Europe - In Europe I recall a flight that lost radio contact that ended up with a couple of Dutch (I think) F-16's on it's arse - simply because the crew mis-dialed a comm frequency.
Hopefully we will never need to find out if someone has/hasn't got the balls to perform a shoot down, but I suspect if it did occur it would involve cannon fire initially as a warning, and then some holes in something less populated than the main cabin.
Now turning to the concept of implant 'bombs' there is a massive temptation on my part to head toward Jet Blast territory with this... must.... resist....
This has occurred numerous time in recent years, both in or approaching US airspace and in Europe - In Europe I recall a flight that lost radio contact that ended up with a couple of Dutch (I think) F-16's on it's arse - simply because the crew mis-dialed a comm frequency.
Hopefully we will never need to find out if someone has/hasn't got the balls to perform a shoot down, but I suspect if it did occur it would involve cannon fire initially as a warning, and then some holes in something less populated than the main cabin.
Now turning to the concept of implant 'bombs' there is a massive temptation on my part to head toward Jet Blast territory with this... must.... resist....
The 'funny' thing is, that the USAF had four opportunities to shot down a legitimate threat on 9 11, and we all saw the result.
To the case at hand: were the b o o b i e s red herrings?
This cross species referencing must stop at once, as we might end up with mad cowpoke disease!
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A surgically planted bomb? That would take some skill and a fair degree of bravery from the surgeon. Also its inaccessible, and the trigger mechanisms may be very difficult.
Surgically implanted bombs arent impossible but are more likely to be the product of a paranoid schizophrenic's thought mechanisms.
Body packing, however, is a completely different thing and is entirely possible and feasible for concealing a bomb and gaining access during flight.
Surgically implanted bombs arent impossible but are more likely to be the product of a paranoid schizophrenic's thought mechanisms.
Body packing, however, is a completely different thing and is entirely possible and feasible for concealing a bomb and gaining access during flight.
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Very obvious that several people making strong and assertive statements in this thread are not and never have been commercial pilots, a few more know little or nothing about explosives and how to detonate them.
There are and have been for a very long time a clear set of rules for an intercept, not going into details here but commercial pilots all know what to expect and then what to do if they discover they have a fighter aircraft formating on their left hand side and endeavoring to communicate with them. There are certain visual signals and maneuvers that will leave the civilian aircraft in no doubt as to what is to happen next, these are all internationally agreed and (should) be well known to all commercial pilots regardless of their nationality. There are major and obvious differences between an aircraft following it's flight plan but has simply lost comms. and one that has deviated without clearance and is maneuvering in an unusual or suspicious way.
It is only after all recognised attempts to communicate have failed and the aircrafts intentions remain threatening that any action would be taken. As I thought I made clear at the beginning, these rules have all been revisited since September 2001.
There are and have been for a very long time a clear set of rules for an intercept, not going into details here but commercial pilots all know what to expect and then what to do if they discover they have a fighter aircraft formating on their left hand side and endeavoring to communicate with them. There are certain visual signals and maneuvers that will leave the civilian aircraft in no doubt as to what is to happen next, these are all internationally agreed and (should) be well known to all commercial pilots regardless of their nationality. There are major and obvious differences between an aircraft following it's flight plan but has simply lost comms. and one that has deviated without clearance and is maneuvering in an unusual or suspicious way.
It is only after all recognised attempts to communicate have failed and the aircrafts intentions remain threatening that any action would be taken. As I thought I made clear at the beginning, these rules have all been revisited since September 2001.
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If were to design an implanted bomb, I would probably use a reed relay in the detonator circuit, held in the 'off' position by an external magnet.
That way, any interference with the magnet would destroy all the evidence.
No need for mobile phones, hand-held transmitters, etc.
That way, any interference with the magnet would destroy all the evidence.
No need for mobile phones, hand-held transmitters, etc.
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Nowadays, with secure cockpit doors and all the procedures, the possibilty of another 9/11 is almost zero.
Before, it was "fly to Cuba", then hostages and then 9/11.
Next time it will be something totally different. Not IF, but WHEN. But they will not use methods that we have prepared for. They are not as stupid as some think.
They seem to have won. They make terror and make our lives miserable.
Before, it was "fly to Cuba", then hostages and then 9/11.
Next time it will be something totally different. Not IF, but WHEN. But they will not use methods that we have prepared for. They are not as stupid as some think.
They seem to have won. They make terror and make our lives miserable.
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Cosmetic surgery
Breast implant filled with 10cl of liquid, explosive, with a tilt switch would work.
Where is Jordan when she is needed...just research honest...
Where is Jordan when she is needed...just research honest...
BBC News - No charges for woman who caused US jet 'implant' alert
I suppose there is no point in prosecuting and jailing a nutter.
I suppose there is no point in prosecuting and jailing a nutter.
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All just a big misunderstanding?
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Well, the 'shoot down a passenger jet policy' has been here for ages.
Evidently the system that the military has in such cases failed on the 9 11 and
no one can guarantee that it will not fail again, given the same circumstances.
The scenario was as straight forward as they get: comm contact with four jets
was lost. But interestingly, the policy did not fail with Korean Air 007 and
Iran Air 665. Plus,
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Cell phone operation is prohibited in flight. Plot foiled.
Since when has being informed that electronic devices, including mobile phones, must be switched off, been any deterrent? We have all seen people who continue to use them even after a personal request has been made and just how long does it take to switch one back on again even when it has been switched off as required?
