Firefly ATR argument in flight deck
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From: 3.5 from TD
There is the possibility that the report was actually filed by one of the crew members involved, claiming to be a passenger. Just to get the story out and to assure that something is done about it. Airlines seem to treat things different when it is more public than when it is handled in-house. 
The reason I say this is because it does seem a bit odd to be able to hear yelling from the passenger cabin of an AT72, through two doors and some bags. Again, not saying it is impossible, just a little far-fetched.
Then again, maybe they did hear it, especially if the FA opened the door to check it out.
Very strange.
The reason I say this is because it does seem a bit odd to be able to hear yelling from the passenger cabin of an AT72, through two doors and some bags. Again, not saying it is impossible, just a little far-fetched.
Then again, maybe they did hear it, especially if the FA opened the door to check it out.
Very strange.
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From: Under the Long Grey Cloud
It must be true !
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FLIGHT OPERATIONS
Captain (ATR Rated)
Must hold a valid Malaysian ATPL license (inclusive of a valid medical certificate)
Must have at least 3,500 flying hours with 1,000 PIC hours
Experience in commercial airline is an added advantage
Captain (ATR Rated)
Must hold a valid Malaysian ATPL license (inclusive of a valid medical certificate)
Must have at least 3,500 flying hours with 1,000 PIC hours
Experience in commercial airline is an added advantage
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From: France
About the fantastic results of CRM
Anyway, this argument should never have happened.
Where is the good old times, when the only words a first officer was allowed to pronouce were "yes sir".
All that because some psychologists, have implemented CRM in the cockpits to please first officers.
Where is the good old times, when the only words a first officer was allowed to pronouce were "yes sir".
All that because some psychologists, have implemented CRM in the cockpits to please first officers.
. You'd have to shout bloody loudly in an ATR for the guy 2 feet away to hear you.
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From: Debatable
Clarification - FY 3609 17 March 2012
Fact : The incident did happen.
Fact : Both pilots were locals, NOT expats.
Fact : The Captain was fired.
Fact : The Second Officer (low time first officer) was grounded for 2 weeks
Fact : The main cockpit door did swing open during takeoff.
Fact : The Captain was shouting so loudly that the passengers could hear him.
Fact : It wasn't an argument, it was the Captain shouting at the Second Officer because the Second Officer questioned a non SOP procedure (selecting high bank for takeoff) that was implemented by the Captain.
Fact : The incident was reported by a Korean Airlines Captain that was a passenger on the flight.
Fact : Both pilots were locals, NOT expats.
Fact : The Captain was fired.
Fact : The Second Officer (low time first officer) was grounded for 2 weeks
Fact : The main cockpit door did swing open during takeoff.
Fact : The Captain was shouting so loudly that the passengers could hear him.
Fact : It wasn't an argument, it was the Captain shouting at the Second Officer because the Second Officer questioned a non SOP procedure (selecting high bank for takeoff) that was implemented by the Captain.
Fact : The incident was reported by a Korean Airlines Captain that was a passenger on the flight.
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From: Debatable
Firefly captain flies for 7 months without valid licence
A Firefly ATR72 Captain was recently caught by the Malaysian DCA for flying without a valid licence for a period of 7 months.
Last edited by Evenrude; 28th July 2012 at 03:41.
