Jet Airways "Supernumerary" Landed Jet--not reported
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Courage
Its a great leap when a F/O can stand up to a captain and report him. He should be punished for 'leaving' his seat, but on on the other hand, punished leniently. The capt on the other hand should be prosecuted for criminal negligence.
I heard of a similar situation yrs ago in my airline where one of our capt removed the F/O by verbal force and sat another company pilot (his friend) to do the landing. The 2nd pilot had experience on non-similar type (BAC1-11) and was soon to complete his conversion on the A320. The capt obviously felt above the law so to speak.
These captains have no place in modern airlines that like to follow good market safety procedures and good CRM principles.
A company that will 'tolerate' such cover ups has a time limit.
I heard of a similar situation yrs ago in my airline where one of our capt removed the F/O by verbal force and sat another company pilot (his friend) to do the landing. The 2nd pilot had experience on non-similar type (BAC1-11) and was soon to complete his conversion on the A320. The capt obviously felt above the law so to speak.
These captains have no place in modern airlines that like to follow good market safety procedures and good CRM principles.
A company that will 'tolerate' such cover ups has a time limit.
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Try sticking to the issue..... i.e. Capt giving landing to Supy!!!!
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Maverick320,
With a name like "Maverick" maybe that is why you don't get the issue!
It is about the company ethos that allowed this Captain to come to the conclusion that an airliner full of passengers was the correct place to let and untrained, unqualified person occupy a required crewmembers seat.
Further, ignored the protest from the First Officer (who requested to get back into his seat for the landing)
That is part one of the issue:-
The second part is why the company flight safety department broke the terms and conditions of the airlines AOC and went out of their way to hide the matter from the DGCA.....
Does this sound like a safe operator? A good company safety attitude? A just culture? An airline that embraces CRM?
NO! Sounds more like an airline that allows a "Maverick" attitude in their company and in their flightdecks.
With a name like "Maverick" maybe that is why you don't get the issue!
It is about the company ethos that allowed this Captain to come to the conclusion that an airliner full of passengers was the correct place to let and untrained, unqualified person occupy a required crewmembers seat.
Further, ignored the protest from the First Officer (who requested to get back into his seat for the landing)
That is part one of the issue:-
The second part is why the company flight safety department broke the terms and conditions of the airlines AOC and went out of their way to hide the matter from the DGCA.....
Does this sound like a safe operator? A good company safety attitude? A just culture? An airline that embraces CRM?
NO! Sounds more like an airline that allows a "Maverick" attitude in their company and in their flightdecks.
Incredible...
Incredible....
India!
What else?
Incredible.... disregard for rules, and contempt for professional standards of behaviour.
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The reality is that much of the developing world have not really caught onto the idea of 'multi-crew co-operation'. Though they love breathing the magic letters C, R and M down your throat they have absolutely no idea what it means because quite simply an FO raising a concern, especially if Mr ex-mil Fast Jet jock is in the LHS, is considered disrespect. Until this is addressed (requires a major cultural change) we can expect more incidents like this.
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CRM.....Had a friend who was going through Line Instructor Pilot training at KAL who told me that during the course one of the korean instructors said to the class "CRM is for western airlines, does not work here". You don't know whether to laugh or cry. Thing is, the instructor was right, CRM doesn't work over there. They don't know what it is. Change the name of the airline. SSDD.
