Ryanair Repair Cockpit Window With Tape?
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AH, that's where it went, thought I'd lost it . . . now where did you put it?
AH, that's where it went, thought I'd lost it . . . now where did you put it?
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One could easily have commented that the use of such tape was standard practice. No need to go into technical details regarding the correct product, application, storage, serviceable life and training of person using it.
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All they had to do was issue a statement saying this was a routine procedure, carried out for the reasons outlined in the above posts.
"Ryanair: We do this all the time"
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Just curious
Was the 'turn back' necessary? Seems like the tape would have ripped off at some point or would have completely blown off given some time.
How much damage can speed tape do? I guess if it were 'caked up' with sealant, some, but then that would be another story - as in sealant too wet to begin with...
Just curious about opinions.
How much damage can speed tape do? I guess if it were 'caked up' with sealant, some, but then that would be another story - as in sealant too wet to begin with...
Just curious about opinions.
If it is any consolation, I had a big barney with BA in my time and refused to fly a 737-200 where the broken hinges on the leading edge of a largish access panel just in front of the engine was 'repaired' with same. I won.
Any damaged panels, such as ground power recepticle, if damaged have to be removed (only iaw the CDL/MEL obviously) and under no circumstances may they be 'secured' with HSS.
This article is as usual typical lazy journalism.
Standard practices can be easily researched these days. The internet is a wonderful thing. But hey, why let the facts get in the way of a good story?
Stop buying newspapers and perhaps they will change their tune.
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Maybe it was the noise it was generating disturbing the airflow that was the reason for the turnback. I remember a wiper that had failed to park fully on an MD-11 once (only about 0.5") and the noise was deafening!
Maybe it was the noise it was generating disturbing the airflow that was the reason for the turnback. I remember a wiper that had failed to park fully on an MD-11 once (only about 0.5") and the noise was deafening!
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Stop buying newspapers and perhaps they will change their tune.
Reminds me of the famous New Yorker cartoon, the two dogs sitting at a computer, one says to the other, "On the Internet,nobody knows I'm a dog."
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a) If you must send the airplane before the sealant is fully cured, install Scotch 425
Aluminum Foil Tape, G00291 on the top of the sealant.
Aluminum Foil Tape, G00291 on the top of the sealant.
Former pilot John Guntrip said: "This could have been disastrous, the pilot could have been sucked out mid-air if the window had come off."
Actually John it could have possibly have got a little bit noisy, and messy maybe if the sealant wasn't fully cured. Hardly say disastrous.
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Lets get real, the newspapers and experts love this stuff. There would have been a hell of alot of passengers delayed if I hadn't used it i/a/w the MEL and common sense when it saved the day. 
I flew professionally for the better part of half a century and I would find it hard to find a type of aircraft that I have flown that did NOT have speed tape applied at some time or other.
Certainly, covering the sealant on a windscreen whilst it cured was a very common one. Covering bird strike damage or sealing a panel when a fastener had gone were others.
I will tell you one thing, speed tape does not come cheap. It litterally WILL stick sh*t to a blanket.
If you are ever lucky enough to get a roll, take it home and give it to your wife next time she wants to wax her legs.
She will tell you how good it is!
Certainly, covering the sealant on a windscreen whilst it cured was a very common one. Covering bird strike damage or sealing a panel when a fastener had gone were others.
I will tell you one thing, speed tape does not come cheap. It litterally WILL stick sh*t to a blanket.
If you are ever lucky enough to get a roll, take it home and give it to your wife next time she wants to wax her legs.
She will tell you how good it is!
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A few comments.
Speed tape is not allways a sure thing, temp and time for sealant are large variables, they could have accidentially used a bit too much sealant and worked it under the tape.
A trick of the trade (not wanting the speed tape to yank out the sealant when cured) is to apply a little "little!!" joy jelly to the sealant. This can backfire as well if used in excess.
The surface applying the speedtape to must be very clean and dry, the picture makes it look a bit damp out (my suspect culprit).
Speed tape is not allways a sure thing, temp and time for sealant are large variables, they could have accidentially used a bit too much sealant and worked it under the tape.
A trick of the trade (not wanting the speed tape to yank out the sealant when cured) is to apply a little "little!!" joy jelly to the sealant. This can backfire as well if used in excess.
The surface applying the speedtape to must be very clean and dry, the picture makes it look a bit damp out (my suspect culprit).
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Speed tape, WD40, sturdy pair of water pump pliers = B707 / DC8 FE tool kit. Once repaired a broken fan reverser actuator mount on a 707 by jamming a block of wood underneath the actuator and using what seemed like a mile of locking wire to secure to the fan casing. Lasted a month in a very hot and sandy place 
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Ah yes, sled dog, but you were repairing a proper aeroplane when such repairs were normal and applauded and in an era when employees were encouraged to be innovative without fear of being dobbed in it by the second steward. Would not work on modern types now because you would have had to submit your "repair scheme" to EASA for approval. The last time we tried that I think it took 9 months. I know passengers are used to certain delays in their departure but I think even then they would have baulked at 9 months.
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"a) If you must send the airplane before the sealant is fully cured, install Scotch 425
Aluminum Foil Tape, G00291 on the top of the sealant."
This is also standard practice in the latest 747-400 AMM and SRM.
Aluminum Foil Tape, G00291 on the top of the sealant."
This is also standard practice in the latest 747-400 AMM and SRM.
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The BA Captain involved in the (in)famous BAC 1-11 (Google Flt5390) windscreen incident was called Tim Lancaster.
He was almost one of the last flying Lancasters...............
HB
He was almost one of the last flying Lancasters...............
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To put it into context,back in the day nearly every helicopter operating in dusty conditions flew with tape on the leading edge of both main and tail rotor blades which lasted for extended periods .