Two BA pilots questioned about mobile phone incident
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isnt it the real issue here, that it was British Airways, and THEY do not do things like this. if this was a Ryanair flight, he would be getting a bonus from Michael, who would be on to the media about how this captain was only doing the right thing to get his weight below MTOW
Terrorists are clever, dedicated, resourceful people who devote their lives to their cause. Anyone who has any experience around airports will know how ludicrously easy it is to enter the restricted zone/critical zone and place an object on an aircraft undetected.
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I am sure it will all be ok , BA will do the PC / Democratic thing as usual , and organise a tribunal type solution , as they did in the C4 ' drinking ' fiasco , where totally innocent crew were unlucky enough to be filmed by that b***h , and had to PROVE their innocence which was a farce as they appointed various twerps to investigate each crew , the classic being the cargo manager who kept insisting that the crew were ordering a certain brew called 'Cerveza' , and had no idea what it meant ,
God help these ' mobile' boys - they have no chance against the system.
God help these ' mobile' boys - they have no chance against the system.
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Times have changed, not always for the best.
Professional flight crew do not throw items of the window in 2011. They go back to stand & follow the rules.
He F#ked up.
period!
Professional flight crew do not throw items of the window in 2011. They go back to stand & follow the rules.
He F#ked up.
period!
Here's a photo I took at the time of the 'incident', you can see that the captain's window is open and there is an Ops vehicle near the front of the aircraft
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It's as simple as this:
Had they gone back to the gate, their management would have ripped into them asking them "What the @#$% they were thinking about - they should have continued with the flight"
Now that they've avoided management pressure, they're getting the standard Bohica and "of course we would have supported them had they followed ATC instructions to return to the gate"
Anyone who believes a different scenario is a fool
Had they gone back to the gate, their management would have ripped into them asking them "What the @#$% they were thinking about - they should have continued with the flight"
Now that they've avoided management pressure, they're getting the standard Bohica and "of course we would have supported them had they followed ATC instructions to return to the gate"
Anyone who believes a different scenario is a fool
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Just imagine you're in a Leader/Ops vehicle. Not a bad day, no accidents, benign weather, nice sandwich at lunchtime and to cap it all the Spadgers doing their stuff. Nice
Then the handheld goes, its apron Control - "Ranger 02 can you go to the Speedy 73 on Alpha? Capts got a suspicious object he wants to give you"
Holy Shiyt! You can guess the rest.
Then the handheld goes, its apron Control - "Ranger 02 can you go to the Speedy 73 on Alpha? Capts got a suspicious object he wants to give you"
Holy Shiyt! You can guess the rest.
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Its possably true that their managment would of tried to "rip them apart"
but any captain worth his weight would would reply, " I felt it was a flight safety & security issue,,,, don't you agree?"
It stops there!
but any captain worth his weight would would reply, " I felt it was a flight safety & security issue,,,, don't you agree?"
It stops there!
Well you can't deny it didn't go right
look at the hub bub it created on the internet.
At this point hopefully the media gives up trying to second guess what the right decision should have been.
look at the hub bub it created on the internet.
At this point hopefully the media gives up trying to second guess what the right decision should have been.
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Are you sure it was to do with a mobile phone?
So far people have assumed it was all to do with a mobile phone because that was reported in the papers. What if this information was not true? Does anyone know the source of this initial report?
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So, as I asked on page 1, does this mean that if 'Jane' suddenly discovers that 'Mark' really is the love of her life and that she shouldn't have left him (and suppose this revelation occurs just when her flight to JFK is about to turn onto the runway and she wants to get back to the gate) all she has to do is hold up her phone and say "look, I've found this"?
So, as I asked on page 1, does this mean that if 'Jane' suddenly discovers that 'Mark' really is the love of her life and that she shouldn't have left him (and suppose this revelation occurs just when her flight to JFK is about to turn onto the runway and she wants to get back to the gate) all she has to do is hold up her phone and say "look, I've found this"?
and she wants to get back to the gate) all she has to do is hold up her phone and say "look, I've found this"?
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Earl, I suppose she could hold up and wave around any personal battery powered device she happened to have on her at the time. 
Women thought vibrator was a bomb
"er excuse me miss...I found this, buzzing around my feet, its not mine though, is it yours?..."
That would also explain ATCs reluctance....."Speedbird69 say again, you want to drop WHAT out of the cockpit?!"
Women thought vibrator was a bomb
"er excuse me miss...I found this, buzzing around my feet, its not mine though, is it yours?..."
That would also explain ATCs reluctance....."Speedbird69 say again, you want to drop WHAT out of the cockpit?!"
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This is absolutely hilarious. 6 pages on Pprune and you guys vent about the media jumping into this meaningless story ? ( Ok so I bit.. but for a reason maybe)
I flew on the 25th from MEM to ORD to IAD to DXB and don't recall which flight it was, but there was an announcement over the PA about a mobile phone found ( actually called it a cell phone) on board. I didn't pay much attention to the announcement as I was glad to get on board ( non rev). All turned out well and we all made it safe to our destination, early as a matter of fact ( thank you UAL crew). Now to read on Pprune and learn about this story, This is just crazy.
Firstly, my flight was not interrupted, the crew didn't throw it out the window. Probably because it was found prior to gate departing ( now there's an idea BA crew! UAL cc did their job prior to push back avoiding altogether the potential for the same scenario.
Second, I have worked for 2 airlines on the ramp and even cleaned a few a/c to get them the hell out of my gates so I could get off work on time and keep our pax happy. Not to mention, that word has it,
, you find cash on the floor, especially the back rows and anything you find that is not claimed in 30 to 90 days is yours, (Georgio perfume and jewelry not claimed was phenomenal, thank you pax). The magazines that are left in the front pockets can be an entertainingly free bonus, and go ahead and look err I mean clean inside the pockets ( new IPOD) but, careful cleaning the crevices of the seats ( needles etc..) because not only do they need to be clean, you just might recover what didnt make it to the floor of the a/c. Not quite sure if a vibrator was ever found, but that would definitely NOT be an item of interest and probably left in the front seat pocket but one would wonder, was it really necessary inflight ?
I did find a cell phone once. It took me about 2 minutes to find out the pax who sat in that seat, I had gate agents look up the seat holders name and flight itinerary and within minutes was at his connecting gate and merely handed it over and he had no idea he had left it. He was not a terrorist, nor was the phone a detonator. Unless you want to count a brain fart which caused him leaving the phone on the a/c due to the fact he was getting home as fast as he could to see the birth of his baby.
There was no reason to involve police nor any other upper management other than my direct supervisor who gave me authority to attempt to find out who the pax was. All was well ( it could have turned out differently had the number I called under ( wife) didn't know he was traveling at all. and as a matter of fact, once I reunited him with his phone and he called his wife he was able to hear his new baby who had just arrived minutes earlier into the world.
Dear UAL CC:
Thank you for finding the phone on our flight on the 25th of June. PRIOR TO PUSH BACK. Because the phone was found prior to push back, the owner wasn't, it was removed from the a/c and off we went..
Dear BA crew and/or staff:
Do your job and all will go well much better to avoid any situation where flight deck crew are faced with the decision they made to avoid a flight delay as well as avoiding the potential for FOD. Of course, I don't know exactly when this phone was found but common sense would say that it was found after push back resulting in the Capt. having to make the " corporate " decision of saving dollars and delay of flight by dumping the phone, continuing on as was planned and calling it a day. While I'm not a tech expert and don't know the " what if's " or " what could have happened" I do know the dangers of FOD and as far fetched as we might want to think, think of the Concorde flight
Dear " anyone looking for humour in the story" : my first thought when I saw this story was that the wife or g/f ( or both) of one of the pilots in the cockpit finally had enough shi* from the caller and said " screw it " and chunked it (I have NO idea how I could have come up with that analogy lol )
PS: don't pick on Betty. Hell if anyone wants to know how to commit a crime, be a terrorist, cook meth etc.. it is on google and other internet avenues.
Most importantly though, all inquiring minds want to know, Had it been an actual vibrator, would the pilot still have thrown it out ? Or better yet, would one of the cc have claimed it
I flew on the 25th from MEM to ORD to IAD to DXB and don't recall which flight it was, but there was an announcement over the PA about a mobile phone found ( actually called it a cell phone) on board. I didn't pay much attention to the announcement as I was glad to get on board ( non rev). All turned out well and we all made it safe to our destination, early as a matter of fact ( thank you UAL crew). Now to read on Pprune and learn about this story, This is just crazy.
Firstly, my flight was not interrupted, the crew didn't throw it out the window. Probably because it was found prior to gate departing ( now there's an idea BA crew! UAL cc did their job prior to push back avoiding altogether the potential for the same scenario.
Second, I have worked for 2 airlines on the ramp and even cleaned a few a/c to get them the hell out of my gates so I could get off work on time and keep our pax happy. Not to mention, that word has it,
, you find cash on the floor, especially the back rows and anything you find that is not claimed in 30 to 90 days is yours, (Georgio perfume and jewelry not claimed was phenomenal, thank you pax). The magazines that are left in the front pockets can be an entertainingly free bonus, and go ahead and look err I mean clean inside the pockets ( new IPOD) but, careful cleaning the crevices of the seats ( needles etc..) because not only do they need to be clean, you just might recover what didnt make it to the floor of the a/c. Not quite sure if a vibrator was ever found, but that would definitely NOT be an item of interest and probably left in the front seat pocket but one would wonder, was it really necessary inflight ? I did find a cell phone once. It took me about 2 minutes to find out the pax who sat in that seat, I had gate agents look up the seat holders name and flight itinerary and within minutes was at his connecting gate and merely handed it over and he had no idea he had left it. He was not a terrorist, nor was the phone a detonator. Unless you want to count a brain fart which caused him leaving the phone on the a/c due to the fact he was getting home as fast as he could to see the birth of his baby.
There was no reason to involve police nor any other upper management other than my direct supervisor who gave me authority to attempt to find out who the pax was. All was well ( it could have turned out differently had the number I called under ( wife) didn't know he was traveling at all. and as a matter of fact, once I reunited him with his phone and he called his wife he was able to hear his new baby who had just arrived minutes earlier into the world.
Dear UAL CC:
Thank you for finding the phone on our flight on the 25th of June. PRIOR TO PUSH BACK. Because the phone was found prior to push back, the owner wasn't, it was removed from the a/c and off we went..
Dear BA crew and/or staff:
Do your job and all will go well much better to avoid any situation where flight deck crew are faced with the decision they made to avoid a flight delay as well as avoiding the potential for FOD. Of course, I don't know exactly when this phone was found but common sense would say that it was found after push back resulting in the Capt. having to make the " corporate " decision of saving dollars and delay of flight by dumping the phone, continuing on as was planned and calling it a day. While I'm not a tech expert and don't know the " what if's " or " what could have happened" I do know the dangers of FOD and as far fetched as we might want to think, think of the Concorde flight
Dear " anyone looking for humour in the story" : my first thought when I saw this story was that the wife or g/f ( or both) of one of the pilots in the cockpit finally had enough shi* from the caller and said " screw it " and chunked it (I have NO idea how I could have come up with that analogy lol )
PS: don't pick on Betty. Hell if anyone wants to know how to commit a crime, be a terrorist, cook meth etc.. it is on google and other internet avenues.
Most importantly though, all inquiring minds want to know, Had it been an actual vibrator, would the pilot still have thrown it out ? Or better yet, would one of the cc have claimed it
Had it been an actual vibrator, would the pilot still have thrown it out ? Or better yet, would one of the cc have claimed it
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Come on, be serious. A buzzing vibrator is not going to be go unnoticed after push back......everyone knows that modern aircraft have vibration gauges in the cockpit so the pilots would know about it. 