Gentlemen, please...
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As someone who's come in for a fair amount of sl*gging, I'd like to point out that just coz you don't agree with something (eg bonding, pay increases, Airbus, Boeing, the lifestyle of your FO)doesn't make it any less factual. Attacking personalities rather than issues - and I'm as guilty of that as any - isn't a good debating tactic; and shows weakness.
Overall, the quality of postings remains fairly good - though I have noticed recently that a lot of the 'old gang' have gone away; when asked why, they usually cite some of the more puerile postings as a reason for doing so.
Overall, the quality of postings remains fairly good - though I have noticed recently that a lot of the 'old gang' have gone away; when asked why, they usually cite some of the more puerile postings as a reason for doing so.
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I think that I have to confess: I wanted to drive an Ambulance yes trains too, Steam engines in particular. Wanted to be a Ship Captain. Hey donīt forget that big machine that had blinking lights and cleaned the street with a lot of noise and dust flying around. Most impressive sight for a 3 year old.
Still since I was younger than I cna remember I have wanted to fly, still do.
I have a picture where I read (eat) a Flight International. I was about the size of a fire extinguisher at the time.
For me anything that moves and makes noise is intersting.
JJ
Still since I was younger than I cna remember I have wanted to fly, still do.
I have a picture where I read (eat) a Flight International. I was about the size of a fire extinguisher at the time.
For me anything that moves and makes noise is intersting.
JJ
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Chalky,
Times have changed. Gone are the days of the 'old' rumour network, where no-one cared if you were a professional pilot or not. The only criteria was a damn good rumour had to be posted.
Nah, nowadays the pros are far too stressed out, not enough money and working far too hard. They get very upset when a non-professional pilot posts on THEIR bulletin board. How dare we have the cheek.
If you even dare post a RUMOUR about one of THEIR companies, you'd better back it up with FACTS or you will be in serious trouble. Of course this rule can be ignored, only if you are a resident professional pilot with the said outfit.
Another point, is NEVER make a post that does not agree with their opinion. If you are nuts enough to do so, you'd better be in a flame and bullet proof suit, cause they will be ready with the flame-throwers and artillery.
Nearly forgot the golden rule. Any person who dare posts on this board, must ensure that the spelling and grammar is perfect. Any deviation from this rule will result with a bombardment of posts pointing out the said errors. It will also be deemed that the original post is null and void, regardless of the rumour or facts that have been posted.
Times have changed. Gone are the days of the 'old' rumour network, where no-one cared if you were a professional pilot or not. The only criteria was a damn good rumour had to be posted.
Nah, nowadays the pros are far too stressed out, not enough money and working far too hard. They get very upset when a non-professional pilot posts on THEIR bulletin board. How dare we have the cheek.
If you even dare post a RUMOUR about one of THEIR companies, you'd better back it up with FACTS or you will be in serious trouble. Of course this rule can be ignored, only if you are a resident professional pilot with the said outfit.
Another point, is NEVER make a post that does not agree with their opinion. If you are nuts enough to do so, you'd better be in a flame and bullet proof suit, cause they will be ready with the flame-throwers and artillery.
Nearly forgot the golden rule. Any person who dare posts on this board, must ensure that the spelling and grammar is perfect. Any deviation from this rule will result with a bombardment of posts pointing out the said errors. It will also be deemed that the original post is null and void, regardless of the rumour or facts that have been posted.
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If you have an opinion - then post it - and ignore insulting comments about it.
These insults/attacks will always pop up. There is no way to avoid these if you chose speak up in public.
Speak up - take the good and the bad - and let life pass happily onwards.
Always remember that the same guy who "attacks" your written words, might well agree with you if you were face to face and could use that far more powerfull way of communicating your message.
Everyone knows that in writing it's almost impossible to express your opinion like you can do by mouth, ears, body- and facial expressions.
What you meant to express in writing easily triggers a total other response than expected.
Let's just continue this fine site..
These insults/attacks will always pop up. There is no way to avoid these if you chose speak up in public.
Speak up - take the good and the bad - and let life pass happily onwards.
Always remember that the same guy who "attacks" your written words, might well agree with you if you were face to face and could use that far more powerfull way of communicating your message.
Everyone knows that in writing it's almost impossible to express your opinion like you can do by mouth, ears, body- and facial expressions.
What you meant to express in writing easily triggers a total other response than expected.
Let's just continue this fine site..
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Chalky,
The trouble is that what to you and/or me might seem to be a trivial subject or opinion, in others will stir a volcanic eruption of emotions. Add to this that someone may have had a bad day/recent incursion into their lives concerning this subject or that, or simply that a particular phrase or innocent comment be misunderstood (or understood correctly!) and you have all you ingredients for a good slagging match.
Whilst I agree with most of Danny's views on how we should conduct ourselves with regards to racial comments and personal attacks, even potentially litigious comments designed to inflame, I do feel that these are phrases that come too readily to some people's minds. Some people are naturally contentious and provocative; some are naturally good at saying the most with the least words; and some are brilliant at making fools of themselves by what they print. Personally I would not be without one or t'other.
I have been on Pprune for over a year now ( I was Battery No Charge) and I enjoy the heated debates much more so than the quiet reserved ones. I, for one, enjoy the cut and thrust of argument and counterargument and must admit to being somewhat contentious myself at times. It brings the worst and the best out in people. Within the bounds of Pprune's obscenity rules, this, IMHO, is part of what makes this website fun.
Some people ask for a slagging off, constructively or otherwise; and some people learn to temper their material as a result.
Look at The Guvnor. He knows that some of his opinions are going to incite a reaction and he more often than not is not disappointed. Personally, I can't even be bothered to argue with him on here because his opinions are not worth my time; but I'm sure he loves every post directed at him, pleasant or otherwise. If nothing else it gives him something to get his teeth into, seeing as I doubt he'll ever get anyone to work for him.
As Danny says, this subject rears its head so often these days. If you'd been here in the days of....dare I mention his name....Capt Ed then you'd see how trivial these threads seem. The reason it draws my attention is that as with so many social issues today, it seems as if when you get rid of really nasty people like Ed, people get bored and try to dramatise anything they can. IMHO it leads to an oversensitive and humourless society.
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Very funny, Scotty. Now beam up my clothes!
The trouble is that what to you and/or me might seem to be a trivial subject or opinion, in others will stir a volcanic eruption of emotions. Add to this that someone may have had a bad day/recent incursion into their lives concerning this subject or that, or simply that a particular phrase or innocent comment be misunderstood (or understood correctly!) and you have all you ingredients for a good slagging match.
Whilst I agree with most of Danny's views on how we should conduct ourselves with regards to racial comments and personal attacks, even potentially litigious comments designed to inflame, I do feel that these are phrases that come too readily to some people's minds. Some people are naturally contentious and provocative; some are naturally good at saying the most with the least words; and some are brilliant at making fools of themselves by what they print. Personally I would not be without one or t'other.
I have been on Pprune for over a year now ( I was Battery No Charge) and I enjoy the heated debates much more so than the quiet reserved ones. I, for one, enjoy the cut and thrust of argument and counterargument and must admit to being somewhat contentious myself at times. It brings the worst and the best out in people. Within the bounds of Pprune's obscenity rules, this, IMHO, is part of what makes this website fun.
Some people ask for a slagging off, constructively or otherwise; and some people learn to temper their material as a result.
Look at The Guvnor. He knows that some of his opinions are going to incite a reaction and he more often than not is not disappointed. Personally, I can't even be bothered to argue with him on here because his opinions are not worth my time; but I'm sure he loves every post directed at him, pleasant or otherwise. If nothing else it gives him something to get his teeth into, seeing as I doubt he'll ever get anyone to work for him.
As Danny says, this subject rears its head so often these days. If you'd been here in the days of....dare I mention his name....Capt Ed then you'd see how trivial these threads seem. The reason it draws my attention is that as with so many social issues today, it seems as if when you get rid of really nasty people like Ed, people get bored and try to dramatise anything they can. IMHO it leads to an oversensitive and humourless society.
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Very funny, Scotty. Now beam up my clothes!
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I have read the forums on PPRuNe for a very long time, and have only just recently begun to contribute.
The Best thing about PPRuNe is the DIVERSITY of posts, most are informative, a few self-indulgent, and the odd one petty.
But isn't that a reflection of our society.
It would be a pretty boring forum without different personalities and formats.
And if you don't want to read the crap, move to the next thread.
The Best thing about PPRuNe is the DIVERSITY of posts, most are informative, a few self-indulgent, and the odd one petty.
But isn't that a reflection of our society.
It would be a pretty boring forum without different personalities and formats.
And if you don't want to read the crap, move to the next thread.
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For those that are interested, the stats for May were:
1,116,637 visitors. (Over 36,000 visitors a day)
141,000 unique IP addresses.
11,062,436 pages served.
137.7Gb bandwidth used.
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Capt PPRuNe
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The Professional Pilots RUmour NEtwork
1,116,637 visitors. (Over 36,000 visitors a day)
141,000 unique IP addresses.
11,062,436 pages served.
137.7Gb bandwidth used.
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Capt PPRuNe
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The Professional Pilots RUmour NEtwork
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Not necessarily. If the ISP assigns an address more than one user could get it so in fact there could in theory be more than 141,000 readers.
Eg. ISP X has 10 modems a - j. User 1 logs on and is assigned modem a so system logs modem a as one IP address. User 2 logs in and is assigned modem b so system logs b as another IP. User 1 logs off and user 3 logs on and is assigned modem a so system logs a again.
3 users but only 2 IP addresses!
Difficult to say though. Could work other way round too so suppose it evens out.
Lies, damn lies and statistics!
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Capt PPRuNe
aka Danny Fyne
The Professional Pilots RUmour NEtwork
[This message has been edited by Capt PPRuNe (edited 01 June 2001).]
Eg. ISP X has 10 modems a - j. User 1 logs on and is assigned modem a so system logs modem a as one IP address. User 2 logs in and is assigned modem b so system logs b as another IP. User 1 logs off and user 3 logs on and is assigned modem a so system logs a again.
3 users but only 2 IP addresses!
Difficult to say though. Could work other way round too so suppose it evens out.
Lies, damn lies and statistics!
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Capt PPRuNe
aka Danny Fyne
The Professional Pilots RUmour NEtwork
[This message has been edited by Capt PPRuNe (edited 01 June 2001).]
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All in all most people can 'discuss' a topic or rumour with reasoned well thought out arguments. Sometimes those people, for whatever reason, will make posts out of character and regret what they have said later. I know I am one of those people.
However there does seem to be a slight increase in this 'you're not a pilot so your opinion is wrong (or dosn't count)' attitude.
Never mind Pprune is still a great site!
And yes how fondly I remember the days of Capt.Ed & his fan club!!!
However there does seem to be a slight increase in this 'you're not a pilot so your opinion is wrong (or dosn't count)' attitude.
Never mind Pprune is still a great site!
And yes how fondly I remember the days of Capt.Ed & his fan club!!!
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Well a posting that certainly caught Danny's attention, and why not. Pprune has proved to be a most addictive site to me, having joined some time ago I have found myself drawn to it more and more. It is entertaining, informative, witty, abusive at times, interactive and in short can be a marvelous time waster.
I have also picked up valuable information on it and formed, probably wildly inaccuarate pictures of people, who like me are interested in Aviation and appear in the site.
Our common interest would seem to be the glue that hold this site together. Whether we're in it or simply fascinated by the air above us and mans ability to move into and through it. We seem to be endlessly curious about it and our fellow travellers around us. Most seem generaly ready for a bit of a crack, and there will always be a Secret Squirral around to be bored 'yawn' or bridle at others opinions. Go and find your nuts if your bored with what's being expressed.
Spelling and punctuation can be a function of lubrication and late night postings often being edited later, or not as the mood takes. It's a great site and hats off to the gent who made it all possible, Thanks Danny.
I have also picked up valuable information on it and formed, probably wildly inaccuarate pictures of people, who like me are interested in Aviation and appear in the site.
Our common interest would seem to be the glue that hold this site together. Whether we're in it or simply fascinated by the air above us and mans ability to move into and through it. We seem to be endlessly curious about it and our fellow travellers around us. Most seem generaly ready for a bit of a crack, and there will always be a Secret Squirral around to be bored 'yawn' or bridle at others opinions. Go and find your nuts if your bored with what's being expressed.
Spelling and punctuation can be a function of lubrication and late night postings often being edited later, or not as the mood takes. It's a great site and hats off to the gent who made it all possible, Thanks Danny.
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As a non-pilot contributor, but one who knows atc and airline ops through professional & personal life, i enjoy the forum, both contributing and reading posts.
Even the so called purial comments are quiet often fun to read. And whem you've had enough, then one can always but out.
A couple of thoughts or comments however:
- what would change to Pprune as a whole, if a separate pilots-only forum was established ?
- would non-pilots still read/contribute, when they couldn't access the pilot-only forums ? And would pilots still read/contribute to those remaining "open" forums ?
- what effect do the known (as opposed to anonymous) contributors have to the forum, esp. when considering the purial/personal attacks...?
- I don't mind various attacks, seeing as 99% of Pprune-ers don't know me. But those who have established identity, such as Guv, are at more rick from such attacks...
Food for thought - or just drivel...?
Z.
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Capt. Pprune , well done for creating Pprune.
For someone who operates in the airline industry in a very specialised role this is an excellent forum for picking up opinions, thoughts, ideas and criticisms regarding the industry.
I must confess that a number of our Duty Managers are now addicted to reading it and we enjoy taking part in its open and often frank exchanges as well as having a laugh.
A number of people who I know in the industry read it but never admit 'openly' about coming here.
It is a tremendous credit to Pprune that it is so highly thought of - so please keep up the good work !
For someone who operates in the airline industry in a very specialised role this is an excellent forum for picking up opinions, thoughts, ideas and criticisms regarding the industry.
I must confess that a number of our Duty Managers are now addicted to reading it and we enjoy taking part in its open and often frank exchanges as well as having a laugh.
A number of people who I know in the industry read it but never admit 'openly' about coming here.
It is a tremendous credit to Pprune that it is so highly thought of - so please keep up the good work !
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This is an old chesnut, no doubt it will appear again. I've contributed in various guises for a while now. I change identities because people form opinions of me based on what I write as opposed to what I actually meant to say. They then jump on any comment I make and re-interpret it as they wish. I try to remain very anonymous because only then can I try to express what I REALLY think. If we all used our own identities we would be restricted to banal and inoffensive comments for fear of retribution. Interestingly despite this we do give away a lot of info which a regular reader with a bit of detective work could work out who you and work for. Amusingly I received E-Mails from people who concluded that I was with various airlines in various positions. This is partly the reason I change identity every now and then, that plus the fact that you can be pigeonholed by the hotheads as a right wing leftie, racist, sexist feminist liberal reactionary because you happen to disagree with someone.
But, despite all that, I don't mind whether they agree with me or disagree with as long as they don't ignore me. I hate being ignored. That's the best way to deal with the nuts.
The pilots - non pilots thing is ridiculous. I am a pilot, professionally qualified but not working as such, yet. In some pilots eyes this disqualifies me from commenting on certain topics. Yet from working in the business for a number of years, I sometimes have a clearer view of a situation than a working pilot. The same applies to other people in ground jobs. Of course, no pilot feels disqualified from commenting on other peoples jobs, do they? Take each contributors statements as they come. It's easy to spot the fakes.
But, despite all that, I don't mind whether they agree with me or disagree with as long as they don't ignore me. I hate being ignored. That's the best way to deal with the nuts.
The pilots - non pilots thing is ridiculous. I am a pilot, professionally qualified but not working as such, yet. In some pilots eyes this disqualifies me from commenting on certain topics. Yet from working in the business for a number of years, I sometimes have a clearer view of a situation than a working pilot. The same applies to other people in ground jobs. Of course, no pilot feels disqualified from commenting on other peoples jobs, do they? Take each contributors statements as they come. It's easy to spot the fakes.