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Old 12th Mar 2012, 17:50
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Tangled Spanish webs

"I think you will find Euro Continental Air and Airlada will eventually turn out to be run by the same people."

Whereas FlightlineBCN is not ?
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EU registered/ not registered but operating there...

"Reminds me of China Airsea and Indocharter..."

Am I right in assuming these from the sound of their names will have been registered in Gib ?

IoM ??

Sark ???

¿ Las Malvinas ?
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Old 12th Mar 2012, 18:06
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FlightlineBCN is a company that will hire out its AOC to anyone that pays it money. In this case Airlada payed them to include the two metros on thier AOC and fly for Manx2

In theory it should then be responsable for all flight operations, crew training, quality assurance, flight safety, safety managment system , aircraft maintence, flight time limitations etc etc.

Its not just the case of taking the money then photocopying the AOC cert and then having nothing to with what the aircraft does day to day or for that matter who is flying it.

And the previous poster is on about a book, Honerable school boy.

?????: The Honourable Schoolboy
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Old 18th Mar 2012, 20:07
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"Reminds me of China Airsea and Indocharter..."

Am I right in assuming these from the sound of their names will have been registered in Gib ?

IoM ??

Sark ???

¿ Las Malvinas ?
In fact they're fictional constructs in John le Carré's "The Honorable Schoolboy", the sequel to "Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy"...

(Apologies for the slight thread drift..)
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Old 7th Aug 2012, 06:21
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Has anyone got any information on when the final report about the crash is likely to be completed, and published?
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Old 8th Aug 2012, 07:24
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accident report

I would expect a final report on or before the second anniversary. After that, the Coroners Inquest in Cork will commence, absent any criminal prosecutions into the various corporate entities involved.
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Old 10th Aug 2012, 07:58
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Still nothing on their website:
Air Accident Investigation UnitFull List of Reports
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Old 10th Aug 2012, 08:45
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Honourable Schoolboy...?
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is there something funny going on i can't seem to see the new posts?

Posting on it cured it.

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Nope just hung on the same page but the thread on the forum said some one had posted And last page didn't cure it either.

O well fixed now
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Old 10th Aug 2012, 14:39
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Yes - did. It didn't appear so I repeated the post and was told I couldn't post because I'd just posted the same post. Eventually my post appeared - see above.
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Old 29th Dec 2012, 08:15
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Update to this thread.

Today's news according to "thejournal.ie"

US lawsuit taken against manufacturers of Cork Airport crash plane
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Old 29th Dec 2012, 08:42
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The report found that there was a flaw with the fuel transmission to this right-hand side engine which could have been giving more power than the left-hand side engine. This means there was a potential for the plane to be unbalanced as it landed.

“The aircraft may well not have ended up inverted on its back had both engines been delivering equal and balanced power,” Healy-Pratt, from specialist aviation lawyers Stewarts Law LLP, said.

“Indeed the power imbalance probably resulted in one wing dropping and hitting the ground first, resulting in the aircraft rolling over.
The rigging is hardly Honeywells fault. Neither is the old engine new engines differences in power spool up.

Honeywell have actually quite a good pilot education program and also engineering thats quite reasonably priced.

It doesn't matter what limits the OEM put in the manuals if the operator doesn't spend the money on the maint your not going to have a pair of well rigged engines.

Rigging the engines takes a day for two engineers and also a test flight. Its normally done as required after some major maint with the control runs or after a heavy check.
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Old 29th Dec 2012, 09:08
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If the loonies would just start walking into law firms rather than schools when they are feeling a bit batey with the world, then we might start to see some progress.
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I don't think I have flown a pair of garretts without them being slightly out on the flight idles or they have slightly different spool up times.

Thats why they give us rudder pedals and a balance ball.
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Old 29th Dec 2012, 10:11
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Red herring - all the more reason not to around below DA - culpable negligence by the crew - next please!
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Old 29th Dec 2012, 10:20
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It's a long time since I worked on TPE331s, but what has spool up time got to do with this? The engines run at 100% RPM except in cruise where it's 97%.
I suspect you mean an un-even increase in power due to throttle stagger or internal FCU issues.
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Old 29th Dec 2012, 10:32
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Sorry prob the wrong term.

I was using spool up as the amount of time it takes to go from flight idle up to 100% torque or whatever the TOGA power setting is on that airframe.

It does vary between engines.
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Old 29th Dec 2012, 13:41
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New Name for Manx2

Manx2 is from January going to be called "Citywing" due to management buyout but Noel Hayes will remain as Chairman. I always thought buyouts meant you got rid of the old owners but apparently not in this case.

Funny how they still use the flight numbers of FLM (NM) even after their departure from M2. Now its flown by Van Air and Links Air according to the website. Who will be the extra 2013 AOCs? Van Air are starting up again in Shoreham under with another virtual airline Brighton City Wings doing a Ryanair style to Paris Pointoise i.e. only 22 miles away.

I wonder how the increase in APD for all aircraft over 5700kgs is going to effect pax numbers as it goes from £0 to £13 in April so their fare advantage goes. Altough the IOM Gov will not impose new APD in IOM.

Anyone got a spare Caravan II for BLK-IOM operations?
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Old 29th Dec 2012, 17:19
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This smells a bit, too. The lawyers won't sue a company with no money, but Honeywell and co are fair game. A question to those of you who have flown this aircraft. If there was a fault, as they are suggesting, wouldn't the crew have noticed this on the first two attempts and compensated accordingly?
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