Air India Fraudulently TriesTo Waive of FDTL Rules
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Air India Fraudulently TriesTo Waive of FDTL Rules
As though all the recent negative publicity has not been enough for Air India !
This just got exposed by the Indian media and is a real shocker - an attempt to waive of all FDTL limits for pilots of diverted aircraft by issuing a company order made by fraud and misrepresentation !!
Air India's dangerous order to flight crew withdrawn
Whatever will they think of next ????
This just got exposed by the Indian media and is a real shocker - an attempt to waive of all FDTL limits for pilots of diverted aircraft by issuing a company order made by fraud and misrepresentation !!
Air India's dangerous order to flight crew withdrawn
Whatever will they think of next ????
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If nothing else it shows that the Indian media are getting a lot more savvy and someone is very kindly providing them with some inside information. Long may it continue.
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If nothing else it shows that the Indian media are getting a lot more savvy and someone is very kindly providing them with some inside information. Long may it continue.
See my above post and confirm your post! Do these idiots proof read?
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Why oh why are they not banned from the EU and the Indian DGCA downgraded! It is a disgrace.
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/4...ane-crash.html
and here:
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/4...ot-things.html
perhaps the suspension of operations into ICAO contracting states would seem the only manner to motivate the DGAC to get itself in order..
or perhaps the international politics scene is playing a role in the lack of international motivation?
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perhaps the suspension of operations into ICAO contracting states would seem the only to motivate the DGAC to get itself in order.
or perhaps the international politics scene is playing a role in the lack of international motivation?
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But perhaps it's better that passengers are slightly inconvenienced than a little unsafe.
I'd rather be "inconvenienced" than dead if you ask me.
Why oh why are they not banned from the EU and the Indian DGCA downgraded! It is a disgrace.
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from the link:
can somebody confirm that pilots in India have more stringent/reasonable duty time limitations than we Europeans have? i wouldn't be surprised.
Their bodies cannot maintain that level of alertness indefinitely and that's why 2 pilots after 9 hours of flying, and three hours of other duty, need rest.
can somebody confirm that pilots in India have more stringent/reasonable duty time limitations than we Europeans have? i wouldn't be surprised.
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Indian DGCA FDTL scheme
The current Indian DGCA FDTL scheme is old and unsophisticated. The 1992 scheme document is here: http://dgca.nic.in/aic/aic28_92.pdf
For example, there is no allowance made for start time so the same limit applies for duty starting at 2300 as for a duty starting at 0900. In addition, the airlines have managed to get a waiver of the international flight time limits for a 2 pilot crew from 9hours flight time and 12 hours duty time to 10hours flight time and 14 hours duty time.
On 27th July 2007, a revised scheme was introduced which stayed in operation for less than one year. It gave considerabley more time off between flights, but did not do anyting to reduce the length of the duty and flight times permitted for 2 pilots operation. That scheme is still suspended.
There seems to be an intention to adopt the latest EASA scheme when that becomes operational in Europe.
Finally, the concept of "captain's discretion" is completely different to the EASA scheme and barely is worthy of the same title!
For example, there is no allowance made for start time so the same limit applies for duty starting at 2300 as for a duty starting at 0900. In addition, the airlines have managed to get a waiver of the international flight time limits for a 2 pilot crew from 9hours flight time and 12 hours duty time to 10hours flight time and 14 hours duty time.
On 27th July 2007, a revised scheme was introduced which stayed in operation for less than one year. It gave considerabley more time off between flights, but did not do anyting to reduce the length of the duty and flight times permitted for 2 pilots operation. That scheme is still suspended.
There seems to be an intention to adopt the latest EASA scheme when that becomes operational in Europe.
Finally, the concept of "captain's discretion" is completely different to the EASA scheme and barely is worthy of the same title!
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Why oh why are they not banned from the EU and the Indian DGCA downgraded! It is a disgrace.
Quite agree, and with the subject matter raised here:
Sleepy pilot caused Indian passenger plane crash
and here:
Fake pilots. This Helps To Explain A Lot Of Things...
perhaps the suspension of operations into ICAO contracting states would seem the only manner to motivate the DGAC to get itself in order..
or perhaps the international politics scene is playing a role in the lack of international motivation?
Quite agree, and with the subject matter raised here:
Sleepy pilot caused Indian passenger plane crash
and here:
Fake pilots. This Helps To Explain A Lot Of Things...
perhaps the suspension of operations into ICAO contracting states would seem the only manner to motivate the DGAC to get itself in order..
or perhaps the international politics scene is playing a role in the lack of international motivation?
Report Cites 'Panicked' Co-Pilot in Air India Jetliner Dive - WSJ.com
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Air India is due to join Star Alliance in summer 2011, having been delayed, i believe, by IT issues from joining in 2010.
Does star alliance have any written standards regarding members and the methods/approach they employ ? Or is it purely a financial alliance.
I do wonder about some of the members. As SLF, an unwitting code share with someone like air india wouldnt make me overly happy.
Does star alliance have any written standards regarding members and the methods/approach they employ ? Or is it purely a financial alliance.
I do wonder about some of the members. As SLF, an unwitting code share with someone like air india wouldnt make me overly happy.
As a frequent SQ passenger, I sometimes end up on a code share with AI. If I ever got to the gate and saw one of their planes sat there, I would turn around and offload myself. "A little unsafe"?? Is their spokesperson serious??
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stuckgear, PT6A,
Although people will find it hard to disagree with you about most things related to Air India/DGCA, your examples are rather blind and short sighted.
1) Sleepy pilot caused Indian passenger plane crash
Now what on earth does this have to do with anything? Most crashes will have a human element to it. You can bet your house the JAA/FAA and their pilots (so to speak) have played a role in multiple crashes and deaths. Why is this singled out as a bad regulator issue?
2) Fake pilots. This Helps To Explain A Lot Of Things...
True, this is a massive headache, one the DGCA needs to crack down on. How they will do it and whether it will work is anyone's guess.
But keep in mind EVERY regulatory agency has its battles. Heck there was a German pilot who almost (or did?) get arrested for forging his licence and flying on line operations carrying passengers as an Examiner when he was a co-pilot. So what now, throw the German agency into the list of 'blacklisted' whatever?
I would agree if you stated that pressure is probably needed from ICAO for the DGCA to get its house in order; but to base your claim on the fact that there was a crash in India + a few pilots are dishonest well heck!!! If you truly think that's an Indian problem and doesn't happen in western countries wake up get your head out of the mud and smell the fresh air.
Again, I reiterate the ICAO and other agencies NEED to put massive pressure on the DGCA to reform. There is a heck of a lot of corruption in the system. However that's different from saying because AI came up with its own FDTL rule the DGCA needs to be banned?
Although people will find it hard to disagree with you about most things related to Air India/DGCA, your examples are rather blind and short sighted.
1) Sleepy pilot caused Indian passenger plane crash
Now what on earth does this have to do with anything? Most crashes will have a human element to it. You can bet your house the JAA/FAA and their pilots (so to speak) have played a role in multiple crashes and deaths. Why is this singled out as a bad regulator issue?
2) Fake pilots. This Helps To Explain A Lot Of Things...
True, this is a massive headache, one the DGCA needs to crack down on. How they will do it and whether it will work is anyone's guess.
But keep in mind EVERY regulatory agency has its battles. Heck there was a German pilot who almost (or did?) get arrested for forging his licence and flying on line operations carrying passengers as an Examiner when he was a co-pilot. So what now, throw the German agency into the list of 'blacklisted' whatever?
I would agree if you stated that pressure is probably needed from ICAO for the DGCA to get its house in order; but to base your claim on the fact that there was a crash in India + a few pilots are dishonest well heck!!! If you truly think that's an Indian problem and doesn't happen in western countries wake up get your head out of the mud and smell the fresh air.
Again, I reiterate the ICAO and other agencies NEED to put massive pressure on the DGCA to reform. There is a heck of a lot of corruption in the system. However that's different from saying because AI came up with its own FDTL rule the DGCA needs to be banned?