Falsified CV's
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250 hour pilots have been foisted on our profession by beancounters; the very same beancounters who have contrived to diminish the authority of the Captain.
Consider this - the 250 hour PTF pilot will not become a 1,000 hour pilot. Once he or she has achieved the extra 100 hours, or whatever they have paid for, they will be replaced by yet another 250 hour wonder.
What amazes me is that actuaries, myopically slaving over their ledgers, have not alerted their Insurance Company masters to the inevitable risk in this parsimonious venture.
Consider this - the 250 hour PTF pilot will not become a 1,000 hour pilot. Once he or she has achieved the extra 100 hours, or whatever they have paid for, they will be replaced by yet another 250 hour wonder.
What amazes me is that actuaries, myopically slaving over their ledgers, have not alerted their Insurance Company masters to the inevitable risk in this parsimonious venture.
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I would venture to say that far more low time pilots are hired as just that, low time pilots, than individual who have bought their way.
After all, everybody started somewhere.
While I'm not fond of shoe-horning into a miniature CRJ behind two young men who aren't yet old enough to shave, I also recognize that the pay structure won't put an 8,000 hour ATP in the right seat, either. I couldn't personally afford to go to work for a regional airline at the wages they pay, and the position has been an entry level job for some time now.
In the US, the recent regulatory address (still in the works) at raising the minimum hour experience level to 1,500, with an ATP, is a wave at addressing the problem, but nothing more than that. Abroad, inexperineced pilots are common in professional cockpits.
One can't say that the 200 hour mark, or 500 hour mark, or whatever is a magic panacea, nor can one say that a 250 hour pilot is incapable. 250 hour pilots, after all, complete Undergraduate Pilot Training and then go out to fight a war. It's the 250 hour pilots who sell a resume with 1,500 hours on it and experience they don't have, that are the problem.
That problem, and the blame thereof, should be laid squarely on the shoulders of the individuals brazen enough to falsify their own resume.
After all, everybody started somewhere.
While I'm not fond of shoe-horning into a miniature CRJ behind two young men who aren't yet old enough to shave, I also recognize that the pay structure won't put an 8,000 hour ATP in the right seat, either. I couldn't personally afford to go to work for a regional airline at the wages they pay, and the position has been an entry level job for some time now.
In the US, the recent regulatory address (still in the works) at raising the minimum hour experience level to 1,500, with an ATP, is a wave at addressing the problem, but nothing more than that. Abroad, inexperineced pilots are common in professional cockpits.
One can't say that the 200 hour mark, or 500 hour mark, or whatever is a magic panacea, nor can one say that a 250 hour pilot is incapable. 250 hour pilots, after all, complete Undergraduate Pilot Training and then go out to fight a war. It's the 250 hour pilots who sell a resume with 1,500 hours on it and experience they don't have, that are the problem.
That problem, and the blame thereof, should be laid squarely on the shoulders of the individuals brazen enough to falsify their own resume.
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Guppy I will have to respectfully disagree..
Why did Bernie Madoff get away with his ponzi scheme as long as he did - Because the SEC was asleep at the wheel.
Why did the banks fail? - Because regulators were asleep at the wheel
What would people do if cops didn't give tickets? Drivers would run wild
What keeps baseball players from taking steriods? congressional hearings.
Who hires the 200 hour wonders, and people with grossly exaggerated resumes? The chief pilots..
There will always be someone out there trying to break the rules and either the gatekeepers do their jobs or they don't.
Just remember this thing got so stupid and so out of hand that congress had to step in because so many operators weren't doing their jobs..
Why did Bernie Madoff get away with his ponzi scheme as long as he did - Because the SEC was asleep at the wheel.
Why did the banks fail? - Because regulators were asleep at the wheel
What would people do if cops didn't give tickets? Drivers would run wild
What keeps baseball players from taking steriods? congressional hearings.
Who hires the 200 hour wonders, and people with grossly exaggerated resumes? The chief pilots..
There will always be someone out there trying to break the rules and either the gatekeepers do their jobs or they don't.
Just remember this thing got so stupid and so out of hand that congress had to step in because so many operators weren't doing their jobs..
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Falsifying a log book and resume with Parker Pen time has
always been around for as long as I can remember.
I recall a TAA candidate in my day who falsified he had 2000
hours Baron (his only twin time) when it came out he actualy
had only 800 hours on type - 1200 was Parker Pen. He was
instantley dropped from the F27 school that afternoon.
always been around for as long as I can remember.
I recall a TAA candidate in my day who falsified he had 2000
hours Baron (his only twin time) when it came out he actualy
had only 800 hours on type - 1200 was Parker Pen. He was
instantley dropped from the F27 school that afternoon.
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a former chief pilot of a university flight school that I taught at, claimed significant experience in all types including the L1011...
We all became suspicious of him when we noticed basics just didnt add up..
His stories (which he was quick to tell) where full of holes.
having done a little research and unfortunately having flown with the individual led me to believe he was just your basic weekend warrior...
a couple of friends and I did a basic search of his ratings on the online database only to find.......nothing.
the individual was later fired..then hired again in a different school only to be fired again...
the world will never run out of impostors
We all became suspicious of him when we noticed basics just didnt add up..
His stories (which he was quick to tell) where full of holes.
having done a little research and unfortunately having flown with the individual led me to believe he was just your basic weekend warrior...
a couple of friends and I did a basic search of his ratings on the online database only to find.......nothing.
the individual was later fired..then hired again in a different school only to be fired again...
the world will never run out of impostors
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Chinese pilots who had lied about their flying experience have been allowed to return to work after they took remedial action to make up their hours.
Sounds like their harsh punishment is a clear disincentive for anyone else who might consider improving upon their CV in China... not.
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Don't forget the pilot recently prosecuted for flying for years without a valid license. Goes way beyond falsifying time...
If that goes undetected for so long, what hope detecting a few added hours?
If memory serves, he was caught during a ramp inspection.
ECAM Actions.
If that goes undetected for so long, what hope detecting a few added hours?
If memory serves, he was caught during a ramp inspection.
ECAM Actions.
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Who hires the 200 hour wonders, and people with grossly exaggerated resumes? The chief pilots..
There will always be someone out there trying to break the rules and either the gatekeepers do their jobs or they don't.
There will always be someone out there trying to break the rules and either the gatekeepers do their jobs or they don't.
When I have been in a hiring or evaluation capacity and come across such individuals personally, individuals with inaccurate records or falsified claims, I've taken pains to see them exposed. Or dismissed. I don't know anyone who would do differently.
Just remember this thing got so stupid and so out of hand that congress had to step in because so many operators weren't doing their jobs..
This was two years ago!
What remedial action can the pilots take in such a relatively short time-span? Attend a course on how to make better forgeries?
Sounds like their harsh punishment is a clear disincentive for anyone else who might consider improving upon their CV in China... not.
Sounds like their harsh punishment is a clear disincentive for anyone else who might consider improving upon their CV in China... not.
The interesting thing is that, in the China Daily, this report of finding a large number of P51 pilots two years ago was tacked on to their report of the Henan crash, one or two days after the incident. Almost as though the authorities already had a fair idea where the problem lay.
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At my non-aviation place of work, I have recently become closer to our hiring process, and I'm shocked at what I'm discovering. We have a couple of director-level people making $200K/year who have essentially fictitious CVs. But because we are too nice, they get through.
One of these people lasted 5 years; in effect, they defrauded us of a million bucks. If someone had placed a purchase order for one-twentieth of that amount with a company which turned out to be a total scam outfit which took our money and ran, our various audit bodies would be all over it. But when the money is coming from the salary budget, it's not scrutinised nearly as closely. I suspect that this may be a problem in many larger organisations.
One of these people lasted 5 years; in effect, they defrauded us of a million bucks. If someone had placed a purchase order for one-twentieth of that amount with a company which turned out to be a total scam outfit which took our money and ran, our various audit bodies would be all over it. But when the money is coming from the salary budget, it's not scrutinised nearly as closely. I suspect that this may be a problem in many larger organisations.
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Not to mention the now-former New Zealand Chief Defence Scientist, who had, apparently, a very imaginative CV. If it had been on the other side of the Tasman, we could call it Walting Matilda.
And he was security vetted at the highest level.
Head scientist quits over CV claims - National - NZ Herald News
And he was security vetted at the highest level.
Head scientist quits over CV claims - National - NZ Herald News
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and place young, extremely inexperienced pilots alongside very experienced pilots and put them to work.
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Its cetainly not only a chinese problem. Here in Brazil we use to have the "garimpo" pilots flying to the gold mines in the Amazon with no licence or training whatsoever until 10 years ago, maybe still some alive and flying... We had the VASP copilots who logged whatever they seemed fit on the later days of the company, with some absurd loggs of several thousand hours a year when actually flying 20-30 hrs a month. We have the EJ flight school, a recruitment "must" for copilots at gol and for some extent tam, where you payed a 30-40k for some 10-12 hours seneca/jet trainer and your log book boosted from some few hundred hours to around 1500 hours miraculously and maybe just a coincidense the time required to get into the companies! But worst of all is that regulators, DAC and Later ANAC, knew about it but covered it to avoid another scandal and an obvious pilot shortage as Brazil still dont allow foreigners to fly here.
Even legally, is it fair for someone who flew international, with a crew of 4 longhaul, stay half the time sleeping in the crewrest to log the hours full compared to a regional pilot who did 10-15 legs to get the same amount?
Who's to blame?
I think its a whole package:
-lack of control.
-lack of character of those who do it.
-cost pressure on companies which used to come up for training.
-pressure from insurance companies.
-lack of transparency.
-outdated criteria.
-company hopping ( in how may airlines in the world you do a complete career this days?)
-sloppy recruitment (sm times no sim, ineffective time waste with psych...)
and so on!
Even legally, is it fair for someone who flew international, with a crew of 4 longhaul, stay half the time sleeping in the crewrest to log the hours full compared to a regional pilot who did 10-15 legs to get the same amount?
Who's to blame?
I think its a whole package:
-lack of control.
-lack of character of those who do it.
-cost pressure on companies which used to come up for training.
-pressure from insurance companies.
-lack of transparency.
-outdated criteria.
-company hopping ( in how may airlines in the world you do a complete career this days?)
-sloppy recruitment (sm times no sim, ineffective time waste with psych...)
and so on!
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Time machine
Do the best to avoid to log more then 24 hours a day! Cause you are either flying on a time machine (awesome and I would like a TR on that machine too!), or you need to go back to math 101.
That's why CAAC inspectors found hard to believe!
That's why CAAC inspectors found hard to believe!
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Forgive my naivety, but surely passengers have the right to expect two highly experienced pilots up front.
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There was a time that airlines used the Second Officer idea to gain experience...watch and learn but than this too went to the beancounters. At the airline I am with now 250hr pilots come and fly 3 flights with a safety F/O and then 20 flights with an instructor. Needless to say the instructors are a little bit worn out. Now by the time the PİLOT has 300hrs they are released to the line if all goes well. Yipee I get to supervise kindergarten graduate after that for the next year or so. Asked an F/O about winter ops and the reply was : what does snow look like ? But hey they PAİD 250,000 euros to be here !
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I've come across 2 pilot logbooks that claimed 35,000 hours +. Both were from light twin/aerial work guys.
What's the chance they're genuine?
What's the chance they're genuine?
10% of their careers they were unemployed. (Career starts at 21. Retire at 60 = 3.9 years unemployed)
The other 50% of the time they had pretty normal jobs and flew about 700 hours per year. (17500 hours / 700 = 25 years
Split the difference on the other 15% of the career at 8750 hours / 850 per year = 10.9 years
Total = 69.55 years old
Assuming these folks began flying quite early - 21 years old - then it's pretty quick to see that they are way past retirement so you need not worry about it.
The dirty math is even simpler.
20 year old guy manages to fly 1000 per year for 35 years straight. He's 55 years old and, without a doubt, fatigued!
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I once interviewed for a job flying a King Aire.
Competing against me was a 30-year-old full-time helicopter pilot who had picked up all his fixed-wing time by working free-lance on his off days.
He claimed 4000 hours of King Aire time. Worked out to about 40 hours a month of block time, all on his off days, every month since college.
He got the job.
Competing against me was a 30-year-old full-time helicopter pilot who had picked up all his fixed-wing time by working free-lance on his off days.
He claimed 4000 hours of King Aire time. Worked out to about 40 hours a month of block time, all on his off days, every month since college.
He got the job.