Jetblue Airbus blows tires/ EVAC at Sacramento
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The doomed aircraft hit and skidded down the Runway with passengers screaming and secretly thinking "Will I be allowed to get my carryon out of the OH?". The pilots, wrestling and sweating with the little swizzle stick at their sides, were pale white, secretly thinking "WTF, will Patty go out with me tonight?" Blowing sparks, thick black smoke and white flames everywhere, the a/c shuddered as it slowed, barely missing the orphanage that was built in the overrun.
60 miles away, Joe Patroni was munching on his unlit signature White Owl, when the meter lit up. Secretly thinking, "I should have taken retirement at eighty five, who can live on 10 dollars an hour?", He heard the cry for AIR BAGS!, SMF needs AIR BAGS!! Firing up the newest twenty year old Forklift, he careered madly down the Air Bag aisle, past the 537 JT-8's stacked like cordwood next to the crew rest bamboo bar. Then he thinks, "Christ, I'll need the X to Ferry me up to SMF, I'm the only one who knows how to start the Old D-10H they use to scrape dead 320's into the weeds to make way for the next Cessna wanting to park at GA...........
"Long landing approved, Hold Priest until Patroni gets here".
PTH?
Wouldn't you just stop pouring fuel into the nozzles and wait a bit? Or do you want Patroni to fire up the Caterpillar so he can push your useless bird into the weeds? After all, that landing RJ wants your Gate.
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60 miles away, Joe Patroni was munching on his unlit signature White Owl, when the meter lit up. Secretly thinking, "I should have taken retirement at eighty five, who can live on 10 dollars an hour?", He heard the cry for AIR BAGS!, SMF needs AIR BAGS!! Firing up the newest twenty year old Forklift, he careered madly down the Air Bag aisle, past the 537 JT-8's stacked like cordwood next to the crew rest bamboo bar. Then he thinks, "Christ, I'll need the X to Ferry me up to SMF, I'm the only one who knows how to start the Old D-10H they use to scrape dead 320's into the weeds to make way for the next Cessna wanting to park at GA...........
"Long landing approved, Hold Priest until Patroni gets here".
PTH?
Wouldn't you just stop pouring fuel into the nozzles and wait a bit? Or do you want Patroni to fire up the Caterpillar so he can push your useless bird into the weeds? After all, that landing RJ wants your Gate.
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I don't think the bus allows you to select max braking in the air any longer, just read the manual to refresh my memory and it says no. In the past I remember it being possible, but with the statement from AB "not recommended for landing!"
I too have heard it rumored that the parking brake was selected on, I hope it wasn't the case and that it was indeed a BSCU fault.
I too have heard it rumored that the parking brake was selected on, I hope it wasn't the case and that it was indeed a BSCU fault.
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California issue ("second") got all screwed up. PTH said it was the largest state. Then said 'by population'(???). It's the most populated state, size doesn't matter (in this case).
PTH - What would I do with a tail pipe fire? WGAF? What would you do if you're upside down and you got a wheel well fire light?
This is about the JB guys. I'm guessing they didn't have a guy on a ground chord giving them an outside perspective. Now exactly what conditions existed that makes you decide an evacuation is, or isn't, required?
Do we even know if they commanded the evac???? Buddy of mine had an evac...passengers started it due to a wait...wait for it.....a tire fire. He's on the PA trying to stop them. Mad rush for the exits. At some point he decided, with tire smoke entering the a/c due to the open exits, that maybe there'd be less issues if people just evacuated.
PTH - What would I do with a tail pipe fire? WGAF? What would you do if you're upside down and you got a wheel well fire light?
This is about the JB guys. I'm guessing they didn't have a guy on a ground chord giving them an outside perspective. Now exactly what conditions existed that makes you decide an evacuation is, or isn't, required?
Do we even know if they commanded the evac???? Buddy of mine had an evac...passengers started it due to a wait...wait for it.....a tire fire. He's on the PA trying to stop them. Mad rush for the exits. At some point he decided, with tire smoke entering the a/c due to the open exits, that maybe there'd be less issues if people just evacuated.
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I had a guy pushing me back in an MD80 say start #1, start #2 then start #3. I read back everything he said. I would trust this guy to know the difference between a tailpipe fire and an engine fire if he doesn't know how many engines I have? If you don't know for sure it is a tailpipe fire spend the bucks with the bottle in case he is wrong. In the air is a different story. Sometimes the wind can blow the flames back causing an observer confusion.
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forget it...just forget it. evacuate if you smell anything bad...or even if the guy next to you farts.
that's fine...the slides need checking once in awhile anyway.
and that md80 story...I saw it happen...no fire warning in the cockpit...shot the bottles for nothing...cuz they don't cover the tailpipe.
I was in a different plane at DCA...and the mechanic for the other airline was on ground yelling at the crew to NOT SHOOT THE BOTTLES.
it was fun to watch as the nacelles expanded with each bottle going off.
that's fine...the slides need checking once in awhile anyway.
and that md80 story...I saw it happen...no fire warning in the cockpit...shot the bottles for nothing...cuz they don't cover the tailpipe.
I was in a different plane at DCA...and the mechanic for the other airline was on ground yelling at the crew to NOT SHOOT THE BOTTLES.
it was fun to watch as the nacelles expanded with each bottle going off.
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September 30, 2007
Airbus Lands With Parking Brake Set Email this article |Print this article
By Russ Niles, Editor-in-Chief
British authorities say an airline's procedures have changed, and Airbus is installing a warning system on its aircraft after the pilot of a A319 landed the aircraft with parking brake set. All four mains blew after the landing but the aircraft stayed on the runway and no one was hurt in the incident at Leeds Bradford Airport, according to the Air Accidents Investigation Branch report. The report says the aircraft commander was the non-flying pilot and was preoccupied with tower weather reports. When the flying pilot called for flaps, the captain mistakenly hit the brakes. The first officer called a second time for flaps after they didn't come down the first time and the captain got the right control. The report says both pilots missed procedures and visual cues that would have alerted them to situation. After the aircraft skidded to a halt, the captain then asked the first officer to set the parking brake and he discovered it was on. There's no word on discipline for either pilot.
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Airbus Lands With Parking Brake Set Email this article |Print this article
By Russ Niles, Editor-in-Chief
British authorities say an airline's procedures have changed, and Airbus is installing a warning system on its aircraft after the pilot of a A319 landed the aircraft with parking brake set. All four mains blew after the landing but the aircraft stayed on the runway and no one was hurt in the incident at Leeds Bradford Airport, according to the Air Accidents Investigation Branch report. The report says the aircraft commander was the non-flying pilot and was preoccupied with tower weather reports. When the flying pilot called for flaps, the captain mistakenly hit the brakes. The first officer called a second time for flaps after they didn't come down the first time and the captain got the right control. The report says both pilots missed procedures and visual cues that would have alerted them to situation. After the aircraft skidded to a halt, the captain then asked the first officer to set the parking brake and he discovered it was on. There's no word on discipline for either pilot.
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I looked at some pictures of an EMB190 that landed with its parking brakes set. Not so very different than the JetBlue airbus in sacto.
someone might find them and post them...from 2005...couldn't see any slides though.
someone might find them and post them...from 2005...couldn't see any slides though.
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Prelim is out.
F/O stirring the paint, brake set at 5100 msl on approach.
Evac by the book after ATC reporting fire and smoke.
Aircraft came to a stop 2000 ft from touchdown.
No reference to second call but CVR will be interesting.
Is this an operator option on A318-A321?
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F/O stirring the paint, brake set at 5100 msl on approach.
Evac by the book after ATC reporting fire and smoke.
Aircraft came to a stop 2000 ft from touchdown.
The first officer called a second time for flaps after they didn't come down the first time and the captain got the right control
Airbus is installing a warning system on its aircraft after the pilot of a A319 landed the aircraft with parking brake set.
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Wasn't JB one of few airlines that objected to 1500 hrs min. for pilots? How do their pilot experience levels compare to their competitors?
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Originally Posted by graybeard
Wasn't JB one of few airlines that objected to 1500 hrs min. for pilots?
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Parking brake error behind JetBlue tyre fire, evacuation
The US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) says pilots of a JetBlue Airbus A320 that experienced landing difficulties at the Sacramento International airport on 26 August had mistakenly engaged the aircraft's parking brake during the approach.
Come on you Bus experts - how is this possible - is there no warning light/sound? And should the anti-skid prevent a landing with locked brakes?
Come on you Bus experts - how is this possible - is there no warning light/sound? And should the anti-skid prevent a landing with locked brakes?
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Was pretty much done to death already here:
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/4...ramento-3.html
protectthehornet,
Most of the times I tend to agree with your comments but I cannot believe you actually believe on this one:
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first off, my friend, an airbus guy, says that maybe the crew was fooling around with the parking brake switch in flight.
which I find quite incredible. First of all, because if one "plays" with the parking brake switch in the air, it will activate the Master Caution and the ECAM will display "Parking Brake On" (if memory serves me well). There is no chance to unintentionally leave the Parking Brake switched On, except if one intentionally pushes the ECAM "Emergency Clear" push-button to make it disappear from the WD/SD and latter on forgets to "Recall" it or switch the Parking Brake to Off...
If this was the case, those pilots could be facing serious consequences... and without a prelim report, I really prefer to believe that something else must have happened before launching some sort of anathema against our colleagues of profession.
I don't think the bus allows you to select max braking in the air any longer, just read the manual to refresh my memory and it says no. In the past I remember it being possible, but with the statement from AB "not recommended for landing!"
I too have heard it rumored that the parking brake was selected on, I hope it wasn't the case and that it was indeed a BSCU
Prelim is out.
F/O stirring the paint, brake set at 5100 msl on approach.
Evac by the book after ATC reporting fire and smoke.
Aircraft came to a stop 2000 ft from touchdown.
Quote:
The first officer called a second time for flaps after they didn't come down the first time and the captain got the right control
No reference to second call but CVR will be interesting.
Quote:
Airbus is installing a warning system on its aircraft after the pilot of a A319 landed the aircraft with parking brake set.
Is this an operator option on A318-A321?
VFD
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/4...ramento-3.html
protectthehornet,
Most of the times I tend to agree with your comments but I cannot believe you actually believe on this one:
Quote:
first off, my friend, an airbus guy, says that maybe the crew was fooling around with the parking brake switch in flight.
which I find quite incredible. First of all, because if one "plays" with the parking brake switch in the air, it will activate the Master Caution and the ECAM will display "Parking Brake On" (if memory serves me well). There is no chance to unintentionally leave the Parking Brake switched On, except if one intentionally pushes the ECAM "Emergency Clear" push-button to make it disappear from the WD/SD and latter on forgets to "Recall" it or switch the Parking Brake to Off...
If this was the case, those pilots could be facing serious consequences... and without a prelim report, I really prefer to believe that something else must have happened before launching some sort of anathema against our colleagues of profession.
I don't think the bus allows you to select max braking in the air any longer, just read the manual to refresh my memory and it says no. In the past I remember it being possible, but with the statement from AB "not recommended for landing!"
I too have heard it rumored that the parking brake was selected on, I hope it wasn't the case and that it was indeed a BSCU
Prelim is out.
F/O stirring the paint, brake set at 5100 msl on approach.
Evac by the book after ATC reporting fire and smoke.
Aircraft came to a stop 2000 ft from touchdown.
Quote:
The first officer called a second time for flaps after they didn't come down the first time and the captain got the right control
No reference to second call but CVR will be interesting.
Quote:
Airbus is installing a warning system on its aircraft after the pilot of a A319 landed the aircraft with parking brake set.
Is this an operator option on A318-A321?
VFD