Monarch-Engine fire Birmingham UK
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Monarch aren't a new airline. Their SOPs have been developed for over 40 years and have proved to work well.
Any PA with a sense of urgency whether it be for senior CC to attend flight deck now or a code word will get the PAX's attention.
As for CC having to remember codes there are only 2 used and I can assure you they all will know exactly what to do instantly they hear them.
Any PA with a sense of urgency whether it be for senior CC to attend flight deck now or a code word will get the PAX's attention.
As for CC having to remember codes there are only 2 used and I can assure you they all will know exactly what to do instantly they hear them.
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Has anybody thought of the fact that maybe the media were told the actual code word but decided it would be a good idea not to publish it but change the word to something else instead?
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Oh your serious?
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Let's see: Monarch is a well established airline, the incident was undoubtedly well handled. The press are easily excited during 'silly season' and it is essential to get the cabin No1 to the flt deck for a briefing.
The use of a code IMHO is more likely to scare passengers witless rather than reassure them, some airlines merely ask senior crew member to report to the flight deck.
Some of you Monarch chaps seem a little touchy, though! Perhaps this little pic will calm you down!
The use of a code IMHO is more likely to scare passengers witless rather than reassure them, some airlines merely ask senior crew member to report to the flight deck.
Some of you Monarch chaps seem a little touchy, though! Perhaps this little pic will calm you down!
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The problem with asking the no1 to the flight deck is that it takes to much time. First the No.1 has to come up to the flight deck, get briefed by the captain. Then he or she has to go back, round up the remaining cabin crew and brief them.
By the use of a code word everybody knows what to do and no time is wasted. The No.1 still gets briefed but in the meantime the rest of the crew gets on with their allocated duties.
Better to make the pax a little bit more nervous and be on the ground ASAP instead of wasting time and end up in a ball of flames. What do you prefer?
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By the use of a code word everybody knows what to do and no time is wasted. The No.1 still gets briefed but in the meantime the rest of the crew gets on with their allocated duties.
Better to make the pax a little bit more nervous and be on the ground ASAP instead of wasting time and end up in a ball of flames. What do you prefer?
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The No 1 has to come to the flight deck and then having received the information, go back and brief the remainder of the crew. They will be ready for this as they have heard the No1 being called.
In your scenario, the rest of the crew telepathically get on with their allocated duties on hearing a magical code word.
How are they supposed to know the nature of the emergency, the Captains intentions, the time left until landing and any special instructions until they in turn have been briefed?
What's the big hurry to land unless you are actually on fire? Better to make sure all is set up for the approach?
As for
you are obviously being playful, 
we would all I'm sure reassure the passengers whilst avoiding your ball of flame, as hopefully we haven't rushed everything and forgotten something? What would you prefer?
The No 1 has to come to the flight deck and then having received the information, go back and brief the remainder of the crew. They will be ready for this as they have heard the No1 being called.
In your scenario, the rest of the crew telepathically get on with their allocated duties on hearing a magical code word.
How are they supposed to know the nature of the emergency, the Captains intentions, the time left until landing and any special instructions
until they in turn have been briefed?
Wasting time
As for
Better to make the pax a little bit more nervous and be on the ground ASAP instead of wasting time and end up in a ball of flames. What do you prefer?
we would all I'm sure reassure the passengers whilst avoiding your ball of flame, as hopefully we haven't rushed everything and forgotten something? What would you prefer?
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Strikemaster82, you have obviously no idea what action are being taken by our cabin crew when they hear the code word. They know what to do and get on with things. Nothing telepathically about it at all.
Yes, they will be briefed by the No.1 but in before that happens they have other duties to perform. No point in keep handing out meals to pax while the No.1 is being briefed as it takes more time to clear it all way.
Our crew is very familiar and trained to know what to do when they hear the code word.
Yes, they will be briefed by the No.1 but in before that happens they have other duties to perform. No point in keep handing out meals to pax while the No.1 is being briefed as it takes more time to clear it all way.
Our crew is very familiar and trained to know what to do when they hear the code word.
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No feathers Sir George Cayley, it did not ingest anything, my understanding a panel of some sort behind the fan section let go.
This went through the engine, surge or two and turbine well and truly stuffed.
No fire, flames were just the result of the surges.
This went through the engine, surge or two and turbine well and truly stuffed.
No fire, flames were just the result of the surges.
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I cant't believe the CAA have approved this coedeword nonsense.....have we learnt nothing in aviation! What are the red lights in the cabin for! Why after an EFATO force a busy flight deck make a PA to summon the No.1, open the flight deck door, explain situation to No. 1, let her out, re-secure the door, and all that time you're trying to handle a heavy aircraft at low level on one engine trying to return! Instead you could have flicked a switch, got her immediate attention, she buzzes, you explain, you fly!Sounds like someone had theirs shaken and not stirred when writing SOPs! LOL code cobra!
My local Co-Op uses code phrases.
"Will Mrs Braithwaite return to checkout please" means there is a shoplifter in the store. Apparently.
They don't sell Cobra though.
"Will Mrs Braithwaite return to checkout please" means there is a shoplifter in the store. Apparently.
They don't sell Cobra though.
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must have been misheard. Cobra is not a codeword used by Monarch
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The first letters of thanks are also starting to appear praising the crews handling of the situation and the calmness of the Capt on PA. These funnily enough do not mention snakes. The complaints are no doubt an attempt at compensation from people after the event reading an innaccurate and borderline hysterical news report. Sadly the way of the world these days.
