Airblue down near Islamabad
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those clouds at atleast 4500 feet possibily above...
theres a chopper corridor that runs up and down the mountain for the military. that corridor links kahuta to the presidency, the Air and Naval HQ to a couple of Air defence and Survival training bases up in the mountains. you see the fly the route at low level pretty often.
theres a chopper corridor that runs up and down the mountain for the military. that corridor links kahuta to the presidency, the Air and Naval HQ to a couple of Air defence and Survival training bases up in the mountains. you see the fly the route at low level pretty often.
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I'm pretty sure we can ignore this video (except in locating the crash site). I would hazard a guess that it was taken several hours after the crash -
1) Weather
2) Smoke appears to be from trees burning rather than fuel
3) Wreckage spread is well down the hill. I think you can still see the sheer rock face into which it crashed at the top.
1) Weather
2) Smoke appears to be from trees burning rather than fuel
3) Wreckage spread is well down the hill. I think you can still see the sheer rock face into which it crashed at the top.
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Do you mean you can see anything of what was left of the plane.
Apart from the chopper, I see nothing except for the volcanic kind of smoke.
Perhaps my eye-sight are poor.
Do you mean you can see anything of what was left of the plane.
Apart from the chopper, I see nothing except for the volcanic kind of smoke.
Perhaps my eye-sight are poor.
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'Borrowed' from another forum, taken from a Google 3D view. The supposed actual crash site, said to be 2985AMSL and said to be the classic '20m' below the ridge which is the first one in the image. I guess if they hadn't hit the first one............You can see the road PJ pictured in his graphic way back.
Also 'rumoured' on that site is that AirBlue are dismissing all exPIA Captains who are over 62. Interesting.
Also 'rumoured' on that site is that AirBlue are dismissing all exPIA Captains who are over 62. Interesting.
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AA965 etc
AA965 - The Court in Florida, with a good US jury, found American Airlines to be 75% at fault, and Honeywell and Jepp 25% at fault. That was the layman's view of responsibility aided by "experts" from all sides. The CVR transcript was rather important in that determination. Out of that tragedy (and others) came EGPWS and an improvement in CFIT accidents. Not all bad.
Here, we have very little concrete facts, save for a steep cockpit gradient, and a straightforward approach. In coming months we shall hear all about low cost airlines being low safety airlines etc, with some choice "facts" which will take us all back to Valujet 592, Atlasjet, Adam Air, OneTwoGo etc.
Deja vu?
Here, we have very little concrete facts, save for a steep cockpit gradient, and a straightforward approach. In coming months we shall hear all about low cost airlines being low safety airlines etc, with some choice "facts" which will take us all back to Valujet 592, Atlasjet, Adam Air, OneTwoGo etc.
Deja vu?
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I can only speak to Valujet. We had an open, party participating, investigation with reams of factual data and analysis.
Sadly, it appears at Islamabad it will be mostly a stone wall that we will view over time.
Here, we have very little concrete facts, save for a steep cockpit gradient, and a straightforward approach. In coming months we shall hear all about low cost airlines being low safety airlines etc, with some choice "facts" which will take us all back to Valujet 592, Atlasjet, Adam Air, OneTwoGo etc.
Sadly, it appears at Islamabad it will be mostly a stone wall that we will view over time.
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Of passing interest is that the 'History of PIA' forum from whence some of my 'rumours' have come has gone 'off-line' following the bit about PIA sackings.
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Sacking of PIA pilots
Is that sacking of PIA pilots from PIA because of the "go slow" or the sacking of former PIA pilots from Airblue because of being above 60 years of age, the regular retirement age in Pakistan??
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Have read #624 but is this right? This is rather difficult to under why the sackings. Will the Pilots Association say nothing to this? I find this sacking unfair dispite the accident. It does not mean those under 62 cannot cause human error in flying.
Have read #624 but is this right? This is rather difficult to under why the sackings. Will the Pilots Association say nothing to this? I find this sacking unfair dispite the accident. It does not mean those under 62 cannot cause human error in flying.
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i am not a pilot my home is on the left side 700 meters from the runway if u are approching for runway 12 at islamabad .when airblue jet passed directly over my home i had to immediatly look out as it was only about 350 feet above and it had missed landing .it turned left and went towarrds margalla hills for another approach (try) for runway 12
it was raining as it flew over my home
At the moment of crash there was no fog or mist
visibility was excellant for 10 miles
the top 100 feet of margalla hills were hidden in thick white clouds
below the clouds the visibility was excellant
The captain was unusally religious.he use to fast every other day.His nic name in PIA was IZRAEEL (the angel who visits at the time of death to take away the soul
as there was nothing wrong with the plane or the weather ,we should not over the mental state of the captian
it was raining as it flew over my home
At the moment of crash there was no fog or mist
visibility was excellant for 10 miles
the top 100 feet of margalla hills were hidden in thick white clouds
below the clouds the visibility was excellant
The captain was unusally religious.he use to fast every other day.His nic name in PIA was IZRAEEL (the angel who visits at the time of death to take away the soul
as there was nothing wrong with the plane or the weather ,we should not over the mental state of the captian
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Thank you JALALUMER for that post - if interested readers could revisit post #616 you will see see a rumour I posted from the now closed 'PIA History' forum about multiple G/As.
Obviously a lot more lurking in the undergrowth here..
Obviously a lot more lurking in the undergrowth here..