Easyjet Planning $4bn Aircraft Order - Boeing or Airbus?
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I thought Easyjet were considering the purchase of Coventry Airport.....that would sort out where to put some of em. <img src="tongue.gif" border="0"> <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">
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Very nice putting so many seats in a aircraft.
I did fly ryanair last week(737-200) and there was no way that i would fit between the seats (thanks to the pilots for letting me sit on the Jumpseat).
I know people want cheaper tickets , but i'm willing to pay a little more if they would give me more leg room.
I will inform my company not to sent me anywhere on Ryanair again if they want to keep me off the sicklist.
Neil
I did fly ryanair last week(737-200) and there was no way that i would fit between the seats (thanks to the pilots for letting me sit on the Jumpseat).
I know people want cheaper tickets , but i'm willing to pay a little more if they would give me more leg room.
I will inform my company not to sent me anywhere on Ryanair again if they want to keep me off the sicklist.
Neil
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Well boys,
So they tell us, the rumour is based on fact - both that they want a lot of ships and that they are looking at all options. The 319 can be upgraded as mentioned above.
So they tell us, the rumour is based on fact - both that they want a lot of ships and that they are looking at all options. The 319 can be upgraded as mentioned above.
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I just flew out of L'Pool with EZ recently. What ever the type they operate, the check in was a disaster, safety was a joke, and most the pax had an axe to grind due to the gash nature of the operation.
I'll try hard to avoid opting for this low cost option in future. Im not a sheep to be hearded, Stelios.
I'll try hard to avoid opting for this low cost option in future. Im not a sheep to be hearded, Stelios.
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Proliferation of the air travel market has happened. However, thanks to the likes of ezy and MOL's lot, the future still looks bright for the mainstream carriers.
Just think, all those pax that have been introduced to the concept of flying, by the likes of ezy et al, because of low fares, will soon look to alternatives because they are prepared to pay more for a quality product.
BA, bmi, BEA, your future is secure. You'll just have to pay big time to get your slots back!!!!
Just think, all those pax that have been introduced to the concept of flying, by the likes of ezy et al, because of low fares, will soon look to alternatives because they are prepared to pay more for a quality product.
BA, bmi, BEA, your future is secure. You'll just have to pay big time to get your slots back!!!!
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LGW Vulture
Do you really believe that people will fly with easyJet just so that they can try flying and then change to the (used to be) bigger boys in order to get a sandwich and a cup of coffee?!?
I've got to disagree seeing as how easyJet have been operational for 6 years with ever increasing load factors. They are very well established on their routes me thinks - enough to keep hold of and improve their market share.
If you think that sitting tight will help BA, bmi and BEA etc., then why are bmi rumoured to be relauching as a different brand, BEA already having done so on some routes and BA, well losing £2m per day is hardly worth commenting further on..... <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
The future's bright - the future's orange!!
Do you really believe that people will fly with easyJet just so that they can try flying and then change to the (used to be) bigger boys in order to get a sandwich and a cup of coffee?!?
I've got to disagree seeing as how easyJet have been operational for 6 years with ever increasing load factors. They are very well established on their routes me thinks - enough to keep hold of and improve their market share.
If you think that sitting tight will help BA, bmi and BEA etc., then why are bmi rumoured to be relauching as a different brand, BEA already having done so on some routes and BA, well losing £2m per day is hardly worth commenting further on..... <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
The future's bright - the future's orange!!
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Michael B - I can cope with anyone preferring one aircraft to another on grounds of informed personal preference. I struggle more with ill-considered views that are gleaned from rumours and half-truths. I am concerned that from your comments you feel that Airbuses are more prone to error than Boeings or that there is some intrinsic error in the man-machine interface within the Airbus. You are stating as established fact something that simply is not. I do not wish to knock Boeings in any way as both manufacturers produce superb aircraft. I fly the A320/1 and although not perfect it would be totally incorrect to say that they have worse safety records than Boeings. Both have excellent safety records and this should be recognised by all responsible pilots. There have been a number of accidents with both B737s and A320/1s (a miniscule fraction of the total flights flown) and for some reason Airbus accidents have been held up as symptomatic of poor design. The most negative comments about Airbuses come from those people who have never flown them. I promise you that the A320 is a stunning aircraft to fly, and has an enormous number of built-in protections that other aircraft do not have. The Airbus will rescue pilots from countless errors and among other things will simply not allow the pilot to overbank, overspeed, over pitch up or down or to stall.
The much-publicised accident involving an A320 flying through trees on TV, which I suspect you are thinking of, was the result of extreme foolishness on behalf of the pilot involved. Had the pilot attempted this manoeuvre with a B737 the exact same result would have ensued, but probably sooner.
As for comments about an Airbus being trickier in emergencies, then again I think you will find this claim simply does not stand up to investigation. Any modern, complex airliner can be prone to difficulties in handling emergencies. The Airbus, although not perfect, has excellent systems for emergency handling that I firmly believe provide significant plus points in its favour.
This is in no way an attack on the 737 which has been a superb aircraft for a generation of pilots and passengers. It is to the credit of the 737 that so many of its pilots love it and defend it so vigorously. Perhaps, however, the ultimate testimony is to be found from those who have flown both aircraft. I have not personally flown the 737 apart from the simulator, but I fly nearly every working day with those who have. With virtually no exceptions, every pilot who has done a year or more on the Airbus says he would never go back to the 737. None of these guys has an axe to grind, and their opinion is arguably the most valid of all.
[ 08 January 2002: Message edited by: Norman Stanley Fletcher ]</p>
The much-publicised accident involving an A320 flying through trees on TV, which I suspect you are thinking of, was the result of extreme foolishness on behalf of the pilot involved. Had the pilot attempted this manoeuvre with a B737 the exact same result would have ensued, but probably sooner.
As for comments about an Airbus being trickier in emergencies, then again I think you will find this claim simply does not stand up to investigation. Any modern, complex airliner can be prone to difficulties in handling emergencies. The Airbus, although not perfect, has excellent systems for emergency handling that I firmly believe provide significant plus points in its favour.
This is in no way an attack on the 737 which has been a superb aircraft for a generation of pilots and passengers. It is to the credit of the 737 that so many of its pilots love it and defend it so vigorously. Perhaps, however, the ultimate testimony is to be found from those who have flown both aircraft. I have not personally flown the 737 apart from the simulator, but I fly nearly every working day with those who have. With virtually no exceptions, every pilot who has done a year or more on the Airbus says he would never go back to the 737. None of these guys has an axe to grind, and their opinion is arguably the most valid of all.
[ 08 January 2002: Message edited by: Norman Stanley Fletcher ]</p>
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NSF,have to mainly agree with you,although a bit over the top with the 'stunning' adjective.Personally ,flown both FBW Airbuses and 737's, both great products of engineering and nice (although totally different) to operate/ fly.I suspect economics will triumph.B/ rgds.
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Here are some indicator statistics (not the best, but all I can get without doing a bit of digging):
HULL LOSSES AS A % OF NUMBER BUILT
No losses
A319
A321
737-600
737-700
737-800
737-900
0.5% 737-500
0.8% A320
0.9% 737-300
1.0% 737-400
3.3% 737-100
7.5% 737-200
HULL LOSSES AS A % OF NUMBER BUILT
No losses
A319
A321
737-600
737-700
737-800
737-900
0.5% 737-500
0.8% A320
0.9% 737-300
1.0% 737-400
3.3% 737-100
7.5% 737-200
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The bmi thingee: I picked up on a thread on here about a month or so ago that mentioned a rumour that bmi could be soon relaunching as a no-frills carrier. Perhaps only certain routes? (surely not the transatlantic ones!). Perhaps no truth in it at all? That's why I referred to it as a rumour.
There may well be room for all. True. I don't think it can stay as it is though with high fares versus low fares. And in the public's mind easyJet and Ryanair have always been cheap and always will be cheap and therefore will probably be the first airlines they turn to when they need to travel. Just my opinion as a traveller and as a fellow industry employee.
Here's hoping the industry can have more good news for all in the next 6 or so months. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
The bmi thingee: I picked up on a thread on here about a month or so ago that mentioned a rumour that bmi could be soon relaunching as a no-frills carrier. Perhaps only certain routes? (surely not the transatlantic ones!). Perhaps no truth in it at all? That's why I referred to it as a rumour.
There may well be room for all. True. I don't think it can stay as it is though with high fares versus low fares. And in the public's mind easyJet and Ryanair have always been cheap and always will be cheap and therefore will probably be the first airlines they turn to when they need to travel. Just my opinion as a traveller and as a fellow industry employee.
Here's hoping the industry can have more good news for all in the next 6 or so months. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
