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Tu 204 down near DME

Old 24th Mar 2010, 14:12
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What they meant was "operable".

This vid of the crash site shows another plane coming in for a landing. Looks like the wreck is located significantly to the right of the center line.

YouTube - Raw video of passenger plane crash in Moscow woods
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Old 24th Mar 2010, 16:18
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Do they have a parallel runway system?

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Old 24th Mar 2010, 16:25
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At Domodedovo airport? Yes.
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Old 24th Mar 2010, 16:56
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Thx.

So the plane on the vid may be for the more left runway !?
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Old 24th Mar 2010, 18:26
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Good picture of a crash location.

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EDIT: same picture as in liider post (#30) and his loads much quicker.

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Old 24th Mar 2010, 18:59
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The runways are 2 km apart. The other plane is def not 2 km away, much closer
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Old 24th Mar 2010, 19:17
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The plane is nearly 300m from the center line.

Here is the photo:
http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/2204/64011.jpg

Same on Wikimapia:
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Old 25th Mar 2010, 09:12
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It appears the initial tree contact was pretty close to center line, but the ground slide was a good 15-20 degrees to the right of the rwy heading.
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Old 25th Mar 2010, 11:07
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Most likely one of the wings dropped as he tried to stretch the glide and make it onto the airport boundary. Or maybe he knew the highway was approaching and was trying to put some distance between them.

Who cares, the aircraft CRASHED SHORT OF THE RUNWAY. Why is the fact that he is off centerline even an issue?

Seems of little impact IMHO
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Old 25th Mar 2010, 12:28
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Rumour now has it that

"the engines were operating till impact".
as in "not only capable of operating, but actually produicing above idle thrust".

source local news raido station citing some aviation official.
and the citation said "engines" as in "both engines".
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Old 25th Mar 2010, 14:03
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ILS not used

According to Kommersant (a rather respected newspaper), the investigators have established that pilots (for so far unkown reasons) weren't able to use ILS on approach. Link (Russian)

(Edit) Some more details from the report:
  • Pilots didn't inform ATC that ILS wasn't used
  • Apparently, there are indications on CVR that a GPS navigation system was used instead
  • Last message from ATC to pilots was that they were left of glideslope, crash occured while they tried a course correction

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Old 25th Mar 2010, 15:15
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Originally Posted by wozzo
According to Kommersant (a rather respected newspaper), the investigators have established that pilots (for so far unkown reasons) weren't able to use ILS on approach. Link (Russian)
This is from aviation-safety.net:
UUDD 212330Z 16003MPS 0100 R14R/0450N R14L/0700U FG VV001 03/02Q1002 64290050 14290045 NOSIG= [Wind 160 degrees at 3 m/sec; 100 m visibility; vertical visibility 100 ft.; temperature 3 degrees C, dewpoint 2 degrees C; runway visual range for runway 14R: 450 m, Not changing significantly and for runway 14L: 700 m improving]
UUDD 220000Z 17003MPS 0250 R32R/0700N FG VV001 02/02 Q100282290045 NOSIG=
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Old 25th Mar 2010, 16:46
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Head of CAA speaketh:

The big honcho described the accident as a CFIT and blamed "human factors". He confirmed that there was fuel on board and the engines were operating normally.
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Old 25th Mar 2010, 17:30
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Last message from ATC to pilots was that they were left of glideslope, crash occured while they tried a course correction
I guess you mean left of extended RWY centerline or localizer, left of GS sounds a bit difficult.
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Old 25th Mar 2010, 21:02
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Originally Posted by greek-freak
I guess you mean left of extended RWY centerline or localizer, left of GS sounds a bit difficult.
Your're right, I meant left of extended centerline.
Thank you.
 
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Last message from ATC to pilots was that they were left of glideslope, crash occured while they tried a course correction
That pretty much explains the heading of the wreckage path.
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Old 26th Mar 2010, 08:55
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That pretty much explains the heading of the wreckage path.
Actually, it doesn't explain anything! Another FS Accident Investigator in our midst!
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Old 26th Mar 2010, 09:06
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Left of GS

Left of GS is possible ... in a steep banked left turn
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Old 26th Mar 2010, 15:44
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More (strange) news

More reporting in Russian press, this time Izvestija, ... (Edit) Info obviously completely wrong, deleted, sorry.

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Old 26th Mar 2010, 17:05
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wozzo, to quote a famous Russian book:

And Ч heaven preserve! Ч don't read any Soviet newspapers before dinner.

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