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Old 19th Mar 2010, 14:07
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Oh Deary O'Leary

MOL is unbelievable and full of it . Its another advertising scam. He's rich but he's a b@tc$

I bet all the F/O's at Ryanair feel valued now!
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A future Ryanair Capt (based on recent MOL B.S.) says to pax in front galley overhead Bordeaux at 38,000 feet , mach .78:

'Don't worry, there is no F/O in the flight deck. There is No such thing as two pilots anymore. I 'm bored compounded with the fact that i need to use the toilet. Its all under control because this aircraft is on auto-pilot. I hope you dont mind the military jets flying off the wing...its the latest Ryanair navigation guidance system, paid for by the tax payers-not Ryanair, and is now a major part of our SOP's..


DOH!!


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Old 19th Mar 2010, 14:19
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I'm amazed anyone really listens any more.

Its a quiet week thinks MOL, how can we get the stupid press to put Ryanairs name in the papers, what b@llocks can I spout out this time.

Paying to go the loo ? standing passengers ? Nah done these already. . . I know lets tell them I am fed up to pay for two numbskulls to sit at the front when one should be more than enough, that ought to do it.

Amazingly, the papers actually publish it . . . more free advertising for yer man (not sure if it's really the sort of advertising Ryanair should be seeking IMHO) , and those that really should know better, actually comment on it as if it is a serious suggestion.

C'mon guys, he is just taking the p1sh as usual, works every time though
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 14:27
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Good idea PP...... left seat officer and right seat officer
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 14:44
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Why have doctors and nurses: all their patients are bound to die anyhow
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 14:56
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Originally Posted by Huck
I'll tell you what, my boys. There are about 10 freight trains a day that rumble by my house, on their way to Chattanooga from Birmingham, AL.

They operate in one dimension, they travel 70 mph max and they are worth about one tenth of one O'Leary's jets. And they carry a crew of three. When they get down to one occupant we'll start talking about airliners.....
Bad analogy. Lots of trains around the world run with one driver only, and there are a few systems that are fully automated (including pax handling). Trains are much easier - if there is a driver at all, a "dead mans handle" that simply applies the brakes is for all practical purposes fail-safe. That doesn't work in the pointy end of a jet and I am sure MOL knows it (I think he just likes winding people up whenever he's been out of the papers for a while).
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 15:02
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Someday there might be a pilot-less plane in big trouble and we will have an inflight video of frantic passengers pounding on the forward cabin wall trying to "reboot" it or something as it plummets down. Something like those stories of nightclub fires where the door only opens inward.

Can technology detect ash plumes, multiple bird-strikes, a bomb? It's a long list.
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 15:07
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Minimize cockpit crews

However, don't forget that in the past those stories also developed in a way that in the end, dispite all the discussions, we lost our navigators and later our beloved Flight-Engineers..... Never say Never....
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 15:12
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Human psyche simply wont allow pilotless commercial operations to happen.

Stick two 737's on the tarmac, tell the SLF that aircraft A is pilotless and aircraft B isnt, and i would bet my house i know which one would be filled first.

Go on Mr O'Leary, i dare you to go ahead with it, and watch Ryanair fall of the face of the earth within 3 months.
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 15:26
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Perhaps dreary o'leery will stick to his horses and not bore us with more of his self serving bullsh1t
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 15:36
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As pilots just moan all the time. Im sure every single boss of an aviation compnay would like that ..
Guess I'll have to be the first to write it: the difference between a jet engine and a pilot? The jet engine stops whining when it arrives at the gate.
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 16:14
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Yup, gotta have that First Officer.
After all...otherwise, who is going to keep the blue side up whilst I'm puffing on my Havana and reading the newspaper?
Never mind....snoozing.

Besides, they do all the work...I just sign the tech log and flight release.
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 16:23
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Um sorry mif I'm missing something but what do SOPs state for MOLs big silver birds? I am sure the CAA and RAMP Checkers would be well pleased to find one guy up front. Also has anyone tried a single handed take off/landing? I also remember a certain FO catching the Captain before he went for a quick dive through the windscreen hole south of Reading
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 16:27
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It's not a new idea from MOL, perhaps he read this paper from NASA published in 2005. : http://human-factors.arc.nasa.gov/ih...Pilot_2005.pdf
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 16:34
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In the future probably...

...flying in the atmosphere will require only one pilot but in space?
Virgin Group will require 2 pilot with an Astronaut Transport Pilot License!
Let's go and get a SpaceShipTwo Type Rating!
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 16:40
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Before the usual knee jerk reaction to anything that MOL states, maybe have a think about it.
As has been said, the technology exists already to fly from A to B without much interaction from the human element. If the human element cannot be removed completely, why not reduced?
What about the Hudson river incident and the other successful landings where the human element saved everyone, whilst this is true, what about what is widely reported as 70% of incidents and accidents being attributable to pilot error.

If systems are becoming too complex for humans to operate easily without having the inside knowledge of a systems designer, then maybe its time for at least one of them to step aside. The other becomes a systems monitor to step in should the programmer have forgotten that line of code that would have covered the one failure case.

I know the above is fraught with difficulty and its own set of problems but before its blindly rejected back up your disagreement with rational arguement.
Maybe if it hadnt been MOL saying it, it would be more credible.
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 16:51
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Yeah what computer could land on the hudson?? What computer could do what eithiopian did recently, what computer could do what lion air did somewhere near ujung airspace, what computer could do what happened in Teneriffe? What computer could do blah blah blah blah blah. There have been far more accidents due to pilot error than there have been remarkable saves due to the human input. The only intervention at present is pretty much down to weather and the takeoff the rest it can do by itself. The takeoff could quite easily be done by a computer and airbus are introducing TCAS that commands the FD and thus the autopilot. It is only a matter of time before we see two crew ultra long haul with systems that monitor the working pilots eye movements in case he falls asleep. It will then go to one pilot for everything and the main reason is just for the pax piece of mind. I think it will be high speed electric trains before we see fully automated passenger aircraft. Hate to say it but I think the beginning of the end has already begun.
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 16:54
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What about a captain incapacitation ? That's remind me a story happened to Turkish not so long ago !

Like in Airplanes, the flight attendant will make a PA call to find out if someone has a flight licence !
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 16:56
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Originally Posted by Nigd3
If systems are becoming too complex for humans to operate easily without having the inside knowledge of a systems designer, then maybe its time for at least one of them to step aside. The other becomes a systems monitor to step in should the programmer have forgotten that line of code that would have covered the one failure case.
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 17:28
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Thanks for coming up with an interesting point. However I have the following question that maybe a CEO or accountant could ask:

1 - What training or experience provides the pilot the capability to save the time/fuel on those legs that a computer could not be programmed to also do?

2 - If a single pilot was still in the cockpit, why could he not also do these cost saving measures, if he were to intervene in the running of the flight?

I'm not trying to wind you up or annoy you but that argument wouldnt really stand up as it is
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 17:53
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why couldnt controllers as they pretty much do already give shortcuts and better altitudes when available. It is only the pilot that asks and the controller that approves it so why have a pilot if that is the only argument?
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