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Old 19th Mar 2010, 11:17
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Unnecessary first officer...

Interview of M O'Leary Ryanair CEO in a French weekly newspaper.
I translated it and basically it says that costs could be cut by flying
without a first officer.
The CEO said that these redundancy rules
are back from the 1920's! Should we pay for a guy who's controlling
another one just to prevent him from sleeping.
(Interview in "Le Nouvel Observateur" 18th of march, this is my translation from french to english).
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 11:22
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Urmm ok, by that logic jet engines are very reliable these days; so why not have 737s with one big engine....they very rarely fail. MOL just trying to get some free publicity like many other stunts I am sure.
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 11:32
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By the same token...he does not need a driver, a secretary, or a wife...it would be interesting if this CEO was asked to implement his ideas by managing British foreign policy,reducing the costs in the civil service and the NHS.
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 11:49
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Surely since First Officers are cheaper we should keep the FO and ditch the Captain. Everyone's a winner.
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 11:53
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Don't the planes all fly themselves nowadays anyway ?
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Instead of saving money by eliminating the FO, how about letting the FO pay to fly? Oh wait...
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 12:06
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Nothing new , a former students brother of mine who is a TRE within Ryanair openly says that Mike o'leary has said if he could fly the planes without the crew he would. As pilots just moan all the time. Im sure every single boss of an aviation compnay would like that ..ok next question
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Yeah because everyone knows the primary outlay in an airline is the pilots wages!

Most airlines probably spend more in half a day of fuel than they would on the entire annual pilots collective salary.
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...basically it says that costs could be cut by flying
without a first officer.
The CEO said that these redundancy rules
are back from the 1920's!
And of course, since the 1920's, Captains have become hugely more reliable.

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Talking a new idea !



here's a new idea !
Sack the CEO - SAVE ££££££££££££££££££££ & make everyones lives happier
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 12:47
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why have captains and f/o's anyway???? why not just pilot/s of same grade?
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 12:47
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We used to have a sixty minute rule. Now we have ETOPS. We used to have navigators, now we have FMS and GPS and IRS. We used to have Flight Engineers now we have fully automated systems that have BIT and shut themselves down.

He has a point.
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 12:55
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why have two legs, I mean trousers with one leg - half the material , only one shoe required think of the savings - and you can still hop around !!! bargain
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 13:05
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Nothing new.

The technology is there already to have no pilots.. Man is very fast becoming the weak link in the chain. However the idea doesn't have a great deal of passenger appeal at present.

Just get the A/P connected to the TCAS, then I cant see what the problem is. The passengers would have some interesting trips also..
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 13:11
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Clearly MOL is an avid reader of pprune Shame he lacks any imagination.

http://www.pprune.org/questions/3999...ed-flight.html
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 13:13
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He has a point.
No, he doesn't.

And a TCAS can't ditch on the Hudson River.....

I'll tell you what, my boys. There are about 10 freight trains a day that rumble by my house, on their way to Chattanooga from Birmingham, AL.

They operate in one dimension, they travel 70 mph max and they are worth about one tenth of one O'Leary's jets. And they carry a crew of three. When they get down to one occupant we'll start talking about airliners.....
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No, he doesn't.

And a TCAS can't ditch on the Hudson River.....

I'll tell you what, my boys. There are about 10 freight trains a day that rumble by my house, on their way to Chattanooga from Birmingham, AL.

They operate in one dimension, they travel 70 mph max and they are worth about one tenth of one O'Leary's jets. And they carry a crew of three. When they get down to one occupant we'll start talking about airliners.....
And there are several automated train systems throughout the world with no crew at al!!

The tech is available right now and is used over the worlds hot spots all the time.
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 13:56
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FE Hoppy,

That was going to be my point. I grew up in Vancouver and the automatic subway system there was built in 1986. If those freight trains have three people I bet it is part union rules.

I also bet that before I die there will be pilotless planes in commercial operations. Maybe just freight, but they will exist. AND DONT FLAME ME because I do not want a pilotless plane and am not advocating it as I would feel less safe, but there will be a point when I may have no choice.

TME
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Why CC? We can have vending machines
Why greedy CEO and board of directors? We can have crazy Dictators like Chavez taking over corporations.
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 14:02
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Should we pay for a guy who's controlling another one just to prevent him from sleeping.
Sleep! He might consider that his airline has played a psychological game with at least one Captain such that he flew and nearly came to grief after suffering terrible grief himself, afraid that he would be severely disadvantaged or even loose his job if he were to dare declare himself temporarily unfit to fly. Wasn't the F/O pivotal in the recovery of the situation then?

If that had turned worst case, Ryanair would be a very very different airline now.
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