Near-miss as Saudia plane deviates from its flight path
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I have never met a Saudi pilot who would admit to making a mistake.
They were new young First Officers on the L1011, and they occasionally could not get the hang of landing with DLC operating...and of course it always did.
I remember one comment in particular...'F***, I did it again, dammit'
Of course, the airplane went WHAM onto the runway...good thing Lockheed bolted the wings on really tight at Palmdale.
After about two hundred hours or so, however, these same First Officers could grease the TriStar on....properly.
I spent a long time at SV, and watched plenty of admitted mistakes by the younger crowd...what they admitted to when they became Commanders I have no idea....and quite possibly a different story.
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A 200 ft is not even a reportable deviation
If SV was exceeding say 1500ft a minute rate of climb towards other traffic, for a few seconds from his flight level and in this time gain 200 ft, he would trigger an RA due to the rate of closure. (it's not the 200 ft giving the RA but the rate of closure). They stopped what ever triggered it within 200ft from the flight level!
I am sure the FDR will be unloaded and the truth be told!
SV 801 was being operated by Air Atlanta.......all Dhaka flts for Saudia are operated by AAI using B747-300s
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TF-AME operated by Air Atlanta on ACMI lease to Saudia.... Therefore nothing to do with any SAUDI pilot!
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Mutt
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Just throwing a bit more into the mix.
The "Saudia" aircraft was at FL340 so could actually be anywhere between FL338 and FL342 as ICAO states that an aircraft is at its level as long as it is within 200ft of that level. The GulfAir could therefore also be at FL348 so although there is full level separation between the 2 craft, actually there may only be 600ft.
I'm guessing that the report has typical media poetic license and the figures they state are just a layman's basic description and actual distances weren't released. If the aircraft did start with only 800ft or even the minimum 600ft and a climb was conducted then it wouldn't be too surprising that TCAS got involved.
Be interesting to see what an official report will say - if one is done and released........
The "Saudia" aircraft was at FL340 so could actually be anywhere between FL338 and FL342 as ICAO states that an aircraft is at its level as long as it is within 200ft of that level. The GulfAir could therefore also be at FL348 so although there is full level separation between the 2 craft, actually there may only be 600ft.
I'm guessing that the report has typical media poetic license and the figures they state are just a layman's basic description and actual distances weren't released. If the aircraft did start with only 800ft or even the minimum 600ft and a climb was conducted then it wouldn't be too surprising that TCAS got involved.
Be interesting to see what an official report will say - if one is done and released........
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TF-AME operated by Air Atlanta on ACMI lease to Saudia.... Therefore nothing to do with any SAUDI pilot!
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Yepp this can happen when you use crews to the likes of Farrell, Desert Diner, wee one, merlinxx etc. which are basically now ex-Atlanta drivers sitting by their computers blaming "fish heads" for everything that has gone wrong in their lifes.
Why were you guys even let into the company in the first place?
Why were you guys even let into the company in the first place?
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As usual I have to share the opinion of 411A:
The Saudi's pilots are among the best in the world. Their training has originated from many different cultures. We too gave them something of ours.
100 feet tolerance is what I demand from my 'stick and rudder' ATPL course students...
Fly safely
DOVES
The Saudi's pilots are among the best in the world. Their training has originated from many different cultures. We too gave them something of ours.
100 feet tolerance is what I demand from my 'stick and rudder' ATPL course students...
Fly safely
DOVES
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I trained many Saudi's and expats on A-300 and MD-11, both seats, and most Saudi's would be excellent in any airline in the world. Much easier than the expats to train and remember their language is in completely different characters read right to left. Try that if you're so hot.
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As many people have mentioned the flight was not operatted by "locals", but by Air Atlanta crew.
So why the Saudi bashing?
Typical expat trash out of Europe who think they are better than others!
So why the Saudi bashing?
Typical expat trash out of Europe who think they are better than others!
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May so be it! Pls have some mercy with the bankrupte island in the northernhemisphere... Ya see iceheads are leaving the country for better greener pasture to Norway,They take any job aviable,specially the job the Polish left.You see icelanders are in the same level as former Rusia immigrants.lituanians,Iclanders,same,same.Cheap labor.The island is in very bad shape.The IMF loan is not helping up much.The application to enter EU would probably be rejected,by the British,that hate them!They are threated bad in Europe and Norway just because some high gamling criminals in iceland destroy the decent living possibilities in the rock.
Now Saudia is late with there payment to AAI so they cant pay salaries on time!well thats what they say anyway...
Now Saudia is late with there payment to AAI so they cant pay salaries on time!well thats what they say anyway...
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Obviously, there must be few laid off ex Air Atlanta contracted B742 pilots / FE's in this forum. At least this would explain to me the bashing style of some users here.....
I know some details out of the raised ASR and I can tell you that you are bark up on the wrong tree since something happened prior the "overshoot" of 300' over the assigned FL340 which at least gives an explanation why this manouver unfortunately happened.
BTW, it wasn't TF-AME but ATJ.
Concerning the bashing of "Icelandics":
Wasn't aware that a flight crew with US & UK members are called "fishheads".
I know some details out of the raised ASR and I can tell you that you are bark up on the wrong tree since something happened prior the "overshoot" of 300' over the assigned FL340 which at least gives an explanation why this manouver unfortunately happened.
BTW, it wasn't TF-AME but ATJ.
Concerning the bashing of "Icelandics":
Wasn't aware that a flight crew with US & UK members are called "fishheads".
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My dear friend HF.
I must say I like you very much and love flying with you.
If Icelanders are at the bottom of the EU food chain.
Where does that put the contractors who work for the Icelanders?
I must say I like the contractors Ive flown with so far.
I know you have a big mouth. But you are just like a little dog who always barks up the wrong tree.
For some of you it seems to me you still miss AAI.
Yes Mutt we still have some girls flying on SV. The first to fly on SV was a lovely spanish copilot on the -400 who is married to a classic captian.
She is now flying with Aircargo Germany.
We will have to see if Icelanders want to join EU after all. It seems to me that the nation will reject it after all. It is only the Social Democrats who have wet dreams about joining. However the Icelandic Currency is useless and the only reason they look at EU is to get a stronger currency.
If Icelanders are at the bottom of the EU food chain.
Where does that put the contractors who work for the Icelanders?
I must say I like the contractors Ive flown with so far.
I know you have a big mouth. But you are just like a little dog who always barks up the wrong tree.
For some of you it seems to me you still miss AAI.
Yes Mutt we still have some girls flying on SV. The first to fly on SV was a lovely spanish copilot on the -400 who is married to a classic captian.
She is now flying with Aircargo Germany.
We will have to see if Icelanders want to join EU after all. It seems to me that the nation will reject it after all. It is only the Social Democrats who have wet dreams about joining. However the Icelandic Currency is useless and the only reason they look at EU is to get a stronger currency.
