Crash at Sharjah airport
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Twas an Engine it twas
According to a quote in Cargo News section of Aviation Business (Nov 2009), "approximately two minutes after take off, the engine seperated from the airframe and fell on to the runway. Eyewitesses said the nose would not lift and the pilot appeared to pick his spot on the ground to avoid crashing into a highly populated area".
From the video clip the attitute looded fine to me.
Glf
From the video clip the attitute looded fine to me.
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GulfStream,, perhaps you'd be so kind as to provide a link,, I seam unable to find this article on my own. Thanks.
As to your take on their take, I see just two glaring errors; (and I do NOT mean to appear snobbish)
1 - An "engine seperation 2 minutes after take-off" doesn't leave pieces and parts drifting casualy down upon the runway,, on runway heading. This entire flight didn't last 2 minutes.
2 - Pilots who are "looking for a soft spot" don't crash at 70 degrees right wing down and 90 degrees nose low. These guys were NOT in control of this aircraft,, WHEN they lost control is still to be explained.
Your remark about the initial climb angle appears to be spot-on however.
Either that or I'm wrong
--Heracles
As to your take on their take, I see just two glaring errors; (and I do NOT mean to appear snobbish)
1 - An "engine seperation 2 minutes after take-off" doesn't leave pieces and parts drifting casualy down upon the runway,, on runway heading. This entire flight didn't last 2 minutes.
2 - Pilots who are "looking for a soft spot" don't crash at 70 degrees right wing down and 90 degrees nose low. These guys were NOT in control of this aircraft,, WHEN they lost control is still to be explained.
Your remark about the initial climb angle appears to be spot-on however.
Either that or I'm wrong
--Heracles
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the publishers web site is: www.arabiansupplychain.com. I only have a hard copy, not able to gain access at present. Aviation Business Magazine (free circulation in UAE) November 2009 issue. Page 17.
I agree that their comments do not reflect a professions pilots best guess, but this is all we have at present.
The feature went on to say that "operations at SJH airport did not contribute to the tragedy".
The GCAA stated it would be "premature to anounce the cause of the accident until the investigation was concluded.
Except perhaps to exonerate SJH airport (GCAA operation) from blaim.
As you say the aircraft decided where to die, not the crew.
Glf
I agree that their comments do not reflect a professions pilots best guess, but this is all we have at present.
The feature went on to say that "operations at SJH airport did not contribute to the tragedy".
The GCAA stated it would be "premature to anounce the cause of the accident until the investigation was concluded.
Except perhaps to exonerate SJH airport (GCAA operation) from blaim.
As you say the aircraft decided where to die, not the crew.
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Interim report here
http://www.gcaa.gov.ae/en/ePublicati...0%20Report.pdf
Investigation looking at thrust reverser deployment on #4.
http://www.gcaa.gov.ae/en/ePublicati...0%20Report.pdf
Investigation looking at thrust reverser deployment on #4.
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very interesting and comprehensive report
The operational condition of the CVR and FDR are interesting, as the rebuilding of the cases but not the functionality of the black boxes.
Are there any 707 drivers around to input more data points, as the "simulation of the incident", is slightly lacking.
Well done GCAA in the detail, and thanks NTSB, and eventually the UK, when the final analysis become known.
Glf
Are there any 707 drivers around to input more data points, as the "simulation of the incident", is slightly lacking.
Well done GCAA in the detail, and thanks NTSB, and eventually the UK, when the final analysis become known.
Glf
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Thanks MATT,
An interesting read,,
That I was right in my observations brings no joy.
That the CVR WAS SABOTAGED either prior to installation or after removal brings no suprise.
Before 411A starts his spew and pisses off half the free world:
1- something DID happen to the engines on the right side.
2- the crew WAS fatally late or erroneous in it's reaction.
3- given the political connections/sensitivity of the region and the lack of relative current airframes in western world, we may well have to accept this report as final.
4- dude, you are well informed but dial the caustic down a notch or two.
--heracles
An interesting read,,
That I was right in my observations brings no joy.
That the CVR WAS SABOTAGED either prior to installation or after removal brings no suprise.
Before 411A starts his spew and pisses off half the free world:
1- something DID happen to the engines on the right side.
2- the crew WAS fatally late or erroneous in it's reaction.
3- given the political connections/sensitivity of the region and the lack of relative current airframes in western world, we may well have to accept this report as final.
4- dude, you are well informed but dial the caustic down a notch or two.
--heracles
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4- dude, you are well informed but dial the caustic down a notch or two.
, however, yes I am very well informed about 707 airplanes (performance-wise), fans/straight-pipes (even Conway-powered)...as I've flown 'em all, at one time or another.If indeed number four went into reverse just after liftoff, quick (and correct) pilot actions are very necessary, to keep the airplane firmly under control, no doubt about it.
The rudder forces can be very severe, about a 140 pound push on the pedal would be in the ball park, with a full-thrust takeoff.
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Heracles -
dude, you are well informed but dial the caustic down a notch or two
dude, you are well informed but dial the caustic down a notch or two
411A.....I assume you're "older 'n dirt" like me ?!?! NO offense meant BTW.
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NO offense meant BTW.
Old and very experienced is an unbeatable combination, safety-wise, in my view.
The younger studs might well disagree, however.
