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Delta Flight From Rio Lands On Taxiway

Old 22nd Oct 2009, 00:35
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If had not been a 67, I would have bet it was one of those low-life, scum bag, red bookers.
Red Bookers????? who's that
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Old 22nd Oct 2009, 01:28
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Then, about a dozen years ago, one of their DC-9's landed in gusty winds, and dragged a wing tip.
The airplane was taxied straight to the hangar, and the incident was not reported to the FAA for three days.
Fact
Well, another FACT for you - Delta got rid of their last DC-9 in 1993
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Old 22nd Oct 2009, 02:46
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Full text of NTSB Advisory:

NTSB Advisory
National Transportation Safety Board
Washington, DC 20594
October 21, 2009

NTSB INVESTIGATING LANDING OF COMMERCIAL JETLINER ON TAXIWAY IN ATLANTA

The National Transportation Safety Board is investigating the landing of a Delta B-767 on an active taxiway at Atlanta Hartsfield International Airport (ATL).

According to preliminary information received from several sources, on Monday, October 19, 2009, at 6:05 a.m. EDT, a Boeing B767-332ER (N185DN) operating as Delta Air Lines flight 60 from Rio de Janeiro to Atlanta landed on taxiway M at ATL after being cleared to land on runway 27R. No injuries to any of the 182 passengers or 11 crewmembers were reported.

A check airman was on the flight deck along with the captain and first officer. During cruise flight, the check airman became ill and was relocated to the cabin for the remainder of the flight. A medical emergency was declared and the company was notified by the crew. A determination was made to land at the scheduled destination of ATL.

The flight was cleared to land on runway 27R but instead landed on taxiway M, which is situated immediately to the north and parallel to runway 27R. The runway lights for 27R were illuminated; the localizer and approach lights for 27R were not turned on. Taxiway M was active but was clear of aircraft and ground vehicles at the time the aircraft landed. The wind was calm with 10 miles visibility. Night/dark conditions prevailed; twilight conditions began at about 7:20 a.m. EDT and the official sunrise was at 7:46 a.m. EDT.

A team of four from the NTSB, led by David Helson, is investigating the incident.

The issue of runway safety has been on the NTSB's Most Wanted List of Safety Improvements since its inception in 1990. Information on the NTSB's work on runway safety is available at NTSB - Most Wanted

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NTSB Media Contact: Peter Knudson
[email protected]
(202) 314-6100
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Old 22nd Oct 2009, 05:17
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Come on, guys! Nothing beats Aeroflot's landing in Barcelona.
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Old 22nd Oct 2009, 07:58
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If had not been a 67, I would have bet it was one of those low-life, scum bag, red bookers.
That's beautiful. You meant to say low-life scumbags that can find the runway, I guess.
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Old 22nd Oct 2009, 09:51
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The flight was cleared to land on runway 27R but instead landed on taxiway M, which is situated immediately to the north and parallel to runway 27R. The runway lights for 27R were illuminated; the localizer and approach lights for 27R were not turned on.[my italics]
Sounds like quite a setup for a mishap to me. I think this was exactly the scenario when I landed on 27R at night a couple of years ago.

Wonder how the line check went...
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Old 22nd Oct 2009, 12:48
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........."Pilots are trained to land on the runway,"

..and for some of us German autobahns!
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Old 22nd Oct 2009, 15:52
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redbookers...this is a holdover from the republic/northwest merger. one group was the green book and one was the redbook for seniority.

Did anyone think that whatever made the checkairman sick just might be starting to make the pilot and copilot sick, reducing their judgement.

Yes, Continental landed on a taxiway with a 757 at EWR.

I remember back in prehistoric times how easy it was sidestep...you simply tuned up the other ILS/LOC and went for it. Now, it is so hard to change things and pilots don't even write notes on their appch plates anymore. I always wrote the parallel runway ILS freq so I would have it for a sidestep.

Every airline has screwed up. Some are just much better at hiding it from the public!


Has anyone seen the United A320 that landed at DIA with a total hydraulic failure????quite recent.
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Old 22nd Oct 2009, 16:03
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New Sop and Company slogan.
D- Dont
E- Ever
L- Land
T-Taxi way
A- Again
Sorry couldn't resist.
Just wanted to beat Jay Leno to the punch.
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Old 22nd Oct 2009, 20:05
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I first heard about this from a Delta colleague during a meeting in Toulouse this morning. From what he was told:

Check airman on board for line check with new Captain.

Check airman got ill and left the cockpit.

Last minute request to sidestep to save taxi time.

REILs possibly not working. Questions about the approach lights and runway light operation.

Someone is getting an unscheduled vacation...
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Old 22nd Oct 2009, 21:02
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What I posted was a joke AKAAB,
What you posted was not believable, credible or even funny.
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Old 22nd Oct 2009, 21:34
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Earl, AKAAB's comment is believable, likely credible, and genuinely concerned.
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Old 22nd Oct 2009, 21:44
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Hey, a good thing that there wasn't anyone coming down that taxiway for a takeoff on 27R, landing lights off as a courtesy to the incoming arriving aircraft. It could have been Tennerife II.

Often enough, the only thing that separates an "incident" from a horrific accident is luck... Ernest K. Gann wrote about this a half century ago in "Fate is the Hunter".

My opinion only, but if enough attention gets paid to the "incidents", it could conceivably prevent a future accident.
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Old 22nd Oct 2009, 21:46
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And how many seconds crew was going cut for taxying to apron. Nice safety desicion.
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Old 23rd Oct 2009, 03:54
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I remember being on a visual at Bermuda not to long ago. We were turning final to rwy 30 (ils out of service) following a c-130 on a pretty short final when it became clear that he was lined up for the parallel taxiway ...alpha I believe?? ...anyway before we could chime in the controller recognized (frantically) and instructed him to go around. At first i thought how ludicrous that was (especially after one would have noticed a rather tall lighthouse so close to your approach path ).....but after operating there a few more times in certain conditions i guess???? i could maybe see how one could become disorientated?????...but in night/dawn conditions with approach lighting working correctly is a different story...eithery way it will be interesting to hear the details of the delta flight once released.
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Old 23rd Oct 2009, 04:01
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Isn'it mandatory to select the runway ILS frequency before landing ?
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Old 23rd Oct 2009, 04:48
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I remember back in prehistoric times how easy it was sidestep...you simply tuned up the other ILS/LOC and went for it.
Yup...and we still do.
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Old 23rd Oct 2009, 06:09
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Uh, the LOC for 27R was not turned on.

See the NTSB advisory above.
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Old 23rd Oct 2009, 17:03
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Red book..."real" Northwest..greenbook Republic pilot list pre aquisition by Northwest usual seniority slagfest
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Old 24th Oct 2009, 00:19
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