Delta Flight From Rio Lands On Taxiway
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jackharr, how did you see an aircraft on short final if you were on the runway awaiting a takeoff clearance? I am not sure where you were exactly?
As I taxied on to the runway as cleared, (I had earlier used the standard aviation jargon, lined up so that might have been what confused) I heard the ATC transmission "cleared to land" and looking hard left saw the aircraft break cloud. I then exited runway as quickly as I could. Quite simple really.
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As I taxied on to the runway as cleared, (I had earlier used the standard aviation jargon, lined up so that might have been what confused) I heard the ATC transmission "cleared to land" and looking hard left saw the aircraft break cloud. I then exited runway as quickly as I could. Quite simple really.
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Good point...some highly infectious bug?
Food for thought:
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Did anyone think that whatever made the checkairman sick just might be starting to make the pilot and copilot sick, reducing their judgement.
I just started looking through this thread, and when I heard that the check airman was ill, I wondered what the cause was, and whether the PIC and SIC were affected to some extent.
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Did anyone think that whatever made the checkairman sick just might be starting to make the pilot and copilot sick, reducing their judgement.
I just started looking through this thread, and when I heard that the check airman was ill, I wondered what the cause was, and whether the PIC and SIC were affected to some extent.
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Interesting point, but if there’s any merit to it, then what happened in the 24 hours following the incident?
Did the condition of the check airman improve, worsen or remain the same? And, what about the other 2 guys who landed on the taxiway? Did they get sick or have any symptoms of being sick, or were they O.K. health-wise?
If they were O.K., then whatever was affecting the check airman couldn’t have been anything that was applicable to all 3, nor have any bearing on what caused the incident in question.
Did the condition of the check airman improve, worsen or remain the same? And, what about the other 2 guys who landed on the taxiway? Did they get sick or have any symptoms of being sick, or were they O.K. health-wise?
If they were O.K., then whatever was affecting the check airman couldn’t have been anything that was applicable to all 3, nor have any bearing on what caused the incident in question.
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It's afterall an honest mistake exacerbated by the crew's haste to get the plane down to the best point in the airport to facilitate medical attention for a fellow crew member. Luckily, nothing untoward happened. Sure, the pilots are going to be reprimanded but I don't think their careers are in any jeopardy.
In the far east, a couple of years ago a Korean Air B737 landed mistakenly on a taxiway in Akita; the skipper was fired!
In the far east, a couple of years ago a Korean Air B737 landed mistakenly on a taxiway in Akita; the skipper was fired!
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...and At least they did not take off from the wrong taxiway
Dynasty took off on taxiway Kilo with an A340 in 2002 and EVA took off on taxiway Yankee in 2005 with an MD-11F.
Both had been cleared for the customary 'runway 32 at Kilo' intersection departure.
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kkpilot, I am not sure whether you are being facetious or not, but I hope that you post was in jest. While I agree that landing on the taxiway was an "honest" mistake, in other words not a deliberate move, I do not know what the rest of your post means.
If the taxiway landing had resulted in a Tennerife II with hundreds of casualties, would you feel differently? It was just pure luck that this incident did not result in an accident. The ultimate success of a landing should not be a flip of a coin, heads you win, tails you lose.
And on a different note, why has nothing else come out here on this incident? It was superceded in the US news market by Northwest, but I would have expected some more factual data would have come out by now.
If the taxiway landing had resulted in a Tennerife II with hundreds of casualties, would you feel differently? It was just pure luck that this incident did not result in an accident. The ultimate success of a landing should not be a flip of a coin, heads you win, tails you lose.
And on a different note, why has nothing else come out here on this incident? It was superceded in the US news market by Northwest, but I would have expected some more factual data would have come out by now.
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Delta has always been very media savvy, the Northwest incident helped. Kind of interesting that Northwest and Delta are now the same company, but again the Big D media machine was able to keep the Delta name out of the MSP incident.
I imagine, much like other incidents in the past involving Delta, this one will be kept under tight wraps and will not be heard about much.
I imagine, much like other incidents in the past involving Delta, this one will be kept under tight wraps and will not be heard about much.
I imagine, much like other incidents in the past involving Delta, this one will be kept under tight wraps and will not be heard about much
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As predicted, the RD's at ATL will be going back to work after a trip to the sim and a line check with a better result:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125816841453048137.html
Delta Pilots Who Landed on Taxiway Set to Avoid Punishment
By ANDY PASZTOR
Two Delta Air Lines Inc. pilots who mistakenly landed a jetliner filled with 182 passengers on a taxiway at Atlanta Hartsfield International Airport last month are expected to avoid punishment, according to people familiar with the matter.
The weather and visibility were both good on Oct. 19, when the Delta pilots mistakenly landed their widebody Boeing 767 jet on a taxiway instead of a parallel runway. Despite the error, both pilots are expected to keep their licenses and their jobs, these people said. The pilots are currently suspended, but Delta intends to retrain them and return them to flight status.
The taxiway incident happened just several days before a pair of pilots flying for Delta's Northwest Airlines unit lost radio contact with air-traffic controllers for more than an hour and cruised past their airport destination. The Northwest pilots – whose flight sparked a broader debate about cockpit distractions -- had their licenses revoked by the Federal Aviation Administration. They are appealing that decision. Delta doesn't intend to reinstate the Northwest pilots under any circumstances, according to industry officials. Delta press officials have declined to comment.
The stark contrast in the treatment of the two cockpit crews has angered pilot union leaders and illustrates different FAA enforcement standards. Nobody was hurt in either incident, and neither plane was damaged. Both crews quickly filed voluntary reports alerting airline officials and regulators about their safety lapses, and were suspended from flying duties...
By ANDY PASZTOR
Two Delta Air Lines Inc. pilots who mistakenly landed a jetliner filled with 182 passengers on a taxiway at Atlanta Hartsfield International Airport last month are expected to avoid punishment, according to people familiar with the matter.
The weather and visibility were both good on Oct. 19, when the Delta pilots mistakenly landed their widebody Boeing 767 jet on a taxiway instead of a parallel runway. Despite the error, both pilots are expected to keep their licenses and their jobs, these people said. The pilots are currently suspended, but Delta intends to retrain them and return them to flight status.
The taxiway incident happened just several days before a pair of pilots flying for Delta's Northwest Airlines unit lost radio contact with air-traffic controllers for more than an hour and cruised past their airport destination. The Northwest pilots – whose flight sparked a broader debate about cockpit distractions -- had their licenses revoked by the Federal Aviation Administration. They are appealing that decision. Delta doesn't intend to reinstate the Northwest pilots under any circumstances, according to industry officials. Delta press officials have declined to comment.
The stark contrast in the treatment of the two cockpit crews has angered pilot union leaders and illustrates different FAA enforcement standards. Nobody was hurt in either incident, and neither plane was damaged. Both crews quickly filed voluntary reports alerting airline officials and regulators about their safety lapses, and were suspended from flying duties...
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NTSB: Delta pilots were fatigued before taxiway landing
By Kelly Yamanouchi
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
6:56 p.m. Wednesday, November 17, 2010
By the time a Delta Boeing 767 accidentally landed on a taxiway at Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport instead of a runway, the captain had been awake more than 22 hours, the National Transportation Safety Board said in a new report on the October 2009 incident.
The NTSB said the probable cause of the incident was the flight crew's failure to identify the correct runway because of fatigue, exacerbated by several other factors.
The flight, which had departed from Rio de Janeiro for Atlanta late on a Sunday evening, was arriving Oct. 19 just after 6 a.m. One of the flight's three pilots had fallen ill with a gastrointestinal disorder, so the remaining two pilots conducted the entire flight without their customary break, according to the NTSB report released this week...
By Kelly Yamanouchi
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
6:56 p.m. Wednesday, November 17, 2010
By the time a Delta Boeing 767 accidentally landed on a taxiway at Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport instead of a runway, the captain had been awake more than 22 hours, the National Transportation Safety Board said in a new report on the October 2009 incident.
The NTSB said the probable cause of the incident was the flight crew's failure to identify the correct runway because of fatigue, exacerbated by several other factors.
The flight, which had departed from Rio de Janeiro for Atlanta late on a Sunday evening, was arriving Oct. 19 just after 6 a.m. One of the flight's three pilots had fallen ill with a gastrointestinal disorder, so the remaining two pilots conducted the entire flight without their customary break, according to the NTSB report released this week...
Here's the NTSB report:
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By the time a Delta Boeing 767 accidentally landed on a taxiway at Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport instead of a runway, the captain had been awake more than 22 hours, the National Transportation Safety Board said in a new report on the October 2009 incident.
Awake for more than 22 hours....
Wow what a shock. What are we going to do about that? I regularly land aeroplanes after being awake for that amount of time. I don't want to, but hey, it is part of my job!
I woke up three hours ago. brought one kid to school, changed the diapers of the other kiddo, and I will fly a B777 to Singapore this evening! And I cannot guarantee that I will be able to sleep on board toward the far east. So I might end up landing the plane after 24 waking hours. I don't want to, but it's the reality of the glamourous world of AVIATION.
Wow what a shock. What are we going to do about that? I regularly land aeroplanes after being awake for that amount of time. I don't want to, but hey, it is part of my job!
I woke up three hours ago. brought one kid to school, changed the diapers of the other kiddo, and I will fly a B777 to Singapore this evening! And I cannot guarantee that I will be able to sleep on board toward the far east. So I might end up landing the plane after 24 waking hours. I don't want to, but it's the reality of the glamourous world of AVIATION.
atacaks:
No doubt things have changed since I flew DC-10s in the USA for a Part 121 airline. However, it was perfectly possible to be scheduled and to fly a 24 hour FDP, for the international part of Part 121 stated that it was not allowed to fly for more than 12 hours (scheduled aloft - IE from take-off to landing [not chock to chock]) in any 24 hour period.
In other words, it was perfectly possible to fly 12 hours on the first day and then carry straight on to fly another 12 hours on the second day without rest.
And then there was what could be done even after that under Part 91.
This was only possible on international flights. US domestic flights had a much stricter 8 hours aloft (with 2 hours rest per hour aloft) for no US Senator wanted a disaster on his own territory. (There was a concession for trans-continental flights up to 10 hours aloft).
Believe you me, European FDP regulations were like a vacation compared with what could be done on the other side of the pond.
No doubt things have changed since I flew DC-10s in the USA for a Part 121 airline. However, it was perfectly possible to be scheduled and to fly a 24 hour FDP, for the international part of Part 121 stated that it was not allowed to fly for more than 12 hours (scheduled aloft - IE from take-off to landing [not chock to chock]) in any 24 hour period.
In other words, it was perfectly possible to fly 12 hours on the first day and then carry straight on to fly another 12 hours on the second day without rest.
And then there was what could be done even after that under Part 91.
This was only possible on international flights. US domestic flights had a much stricter 8 hours aloft (with 2 hours rest per hour aloft) for no US Senator wanted a disaster on his own territory. (There was a concession for trans-continental flights up to 10 hours aloft).
Believe you me, European FDP regulations were like a vacation compared with what could be done on the other side of the pond.