Saha Air 707 loses 2 on climb out

[oceancrosser]

The DC-8s were the same, ours were sourced from several different original customers and almost nothing could be found in the same places.
Worst of all were the ex-Air Canada things they tried to convert into a 2 crew cockpit (never flown that way to my knowledge) and scattered 2/3s of the FE panel around the pilots.

[Dave Gittins]

And I thought the "find how the radio works" game only applied to PA-28s

[captjns]

I never knew that TWA could reinvent the cockpit until actually flying a -231. Some good, and some bad.

Sure went through alot of landing lights though.

[Entaxei]

History .....

N712PA a JT3 engined 707 from Pan Am's initial 6 lost the No 4 engine over France on 25th February 1959 in a training incident, it landed at Heathrow and was repaired in the Pan Am hangar.

N712PA had been involved in a near 30,000 ft dive over the Atlantic three weeks earlier where it got close to Mach1...possible autopilot malfunction ..... No 3 dos'nt look to clever either!! ..... nobody checked the engine mounts?.

[atakacs]

Any idea of the history of the plane involved here (was it originally delivered to Iran in the 70's) ?

[cactusbusdrvr]

The Boeing fleets at my airline were all standardized - until the second jet showed up on the line.

[wileydog3]

Not a true 707 but rather the REAL 717.. when I went through Instructor school on the KC-135 we did 2 engine out (same side, in idle) approaches and go-arounds. Once we had demonstrated that we did 3 engines in idle and a single engine (sort of) pattern with an approach and go around. Gear when you were assured you had the field.. flaps 30. On the go, MAX thrust, lots of rudder and gear up with the slightest hint of positive rate. Milk the flaps back up SLOWLY and climb out. Not easy but did not require a superman.

Long time ago...

[Bigt]

Plane was originally delivered to the Iranian Government - model 707-3JPC

[PJ2]

oceancrosser;

Worst of all were the ex-Air Canada things they tried to convert into a 2 crew cockpit (never flown that way to my knowledge) and scattered 2/3s of the FE panel around the pilots.

You are correct. I had originally posted that it was Douglas that tried this but I recall now years ago seeing some Canadian Pacific Airlines DC8s and their cockpits were completely different - F/O seat on regular instead of long rails, a proper Engineer's panel with all the systems at the back. On the Trans-Canada (later Air Canada) DC8s, except for fuel and electrical, the systems were mostly on the front, center panels if I recall. Cockpit standardization has come a long way, enhancing flight safety in doing so.

[captjns]

Ooops.... CIRCUITB... should have specified the 727-231 series x-TWA birds.

[superspotter]

[lomapaseo]

Finally some facts about the incident

Thanks superspotter for the pics. I wish there were more but I couldn't navigate the forum that they came from

The #1 engine probably would have been only slightly damaged from FOD into the inlet. #2 looks like a possible overspeed when I brighten up the picture. I don't recall a similar looking failure since AAL Nov 1960 over Albany NY

[atakacs]

Meanwhile back at the 707 ...bit of a mess innit ! ... looks lucky the exploding bits of JT3 didn't bring out out of the sky. Could have been an Airtours at Manchester again but at 3,000 ft !!

indeed

what was the sequence of event here ? did they loose the second engine due to debris ingestion (quite possible given what we see on those pictures).

In any case hat tip to the crew...

[411A]

Could have been an Airtours at Manchester again but at 3,000 ft !!

Highly unlikely whilst airbourne....besides the specific type has four engines, no similarity whatsoever with the Manchester accident.

[rog747]

411a

wow u flew 707-320/420/320b/c and 707-138b
did you ever fly them into the UK?

i flew on british eagle 707-138b as a child which (both a/c) went to laker
g-avzz and g-awdg
great little ships they were...
always at LGW for many years...
often i was at laker hangars and visited them

also flew on BEA airtours -436's many times too

my first BIG 707 flight was LGW-PMI on 707-349C of caledonian in 1969
g-awwd home on g-avka -399c flagship bonnie scotland
flt time of 1hr 20 mins !

when i joined BMA we had coal-burning -321's ex PAA (6)
then we got 3 -320C's and eventually fitted 212Y seats in them for charters.
interesting load sheets for LGW-LAX non-stop with 212Y on board in august...lol

incredible feat for this Iran 707 to safely get back on the ground after losing 2 on same side...174 pax on board so was not that light.

often our chaps at BMA were talking of the odds of losing 2 same-side out of LGW on 27 (26 now) and clearing the hills on a hot day.

[bugg smasher]

On a related note, the mil variant of the 707, a KC-135, impacted shortly after takeoff at Elmendorf, Anchorage, after ingesting several Canada geese and losing two on the same side, in the early nineties I recall.

Impressive stick job by the Iranian crew, Sullenberger kudos all 'round (he knows geese), not an easy event by anyone's standard.

[411A]

did you ever fly them into the UK?

Numerous times...-320B (advanced) mostly, occasionally the -138B.

[Dave Gittins]

If you lost a couple coming out of Gatwick 26, at laest (if you cleared the hills) at least you had Dunsfold to go to without much manoevering on two..

[captjns]

cactusbusdrvr

The Boeing fleets at my airline were all standardized - until the second jet showed up on the line

Yeah... I remember in 1990 the diffrences manual was thicker than the AOM too

[ORAC]

On a related note, the mil variant of the 707, a KC-135, impacted shortly after takeoff at Elmendorf, Anchorage, after ingesting several Canada geese and losing two on the same side, in the early nineties I recall.

No, it wasn't a KC-135, it was an E-3A, Yukla27, with 24 POB.