BA short of pilots...what a surprise!
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...and did it do them any good? NO, and the 49+ are STILL out of a job, and will be permanently in the stinky lagoon.
When pilots think that they run the company, well....the unemployment line is not far behind.
Flight crew will just have to realise that the world does NOT revolve around them, management is in charge (unions or no unions) and it will remain so forever. Times are tough guys, like it or not.
When pilots think that they run the company, well....the unemployment line is not far behind.
Flight crew will just have to realise that the world does NOT revolve around them, management is in charge (unions or no unions) and it will remain so forever. Times are tough guys, like it or not.
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Dude you have not answered my points namely how long would these cadets end up in a franchisee and how hard would it be to get out?
Previous experience from the Gulf War indicates that they would be saddled with a dodgy contract that they might struggle to extract themselves from.
Last point as to why some of us view the Franchises with deep distrust. Not so long ago after our first year of operating the A319 at BHX the then chief pilot took us all out to dinner and told us what a good job we were all doing to make the new agreement work (5 sector days under training 10 sectors in 2 days on the line in and out of CDG)
Shortly afterwards brother Tim sliped off "to help out at Brymon" A year later and we have all been given our marching orders as our work is going to be handed over to BRAL Brymon.....and our former chief pilot is in charge of this new franchise.
Good luck to you all....enjoy the dinner in about a years time!
Previous experience from the Gulf War indicates that they would be saddled with a dodgy contract that they might struggle to extract themselves from.
Last point as to why some of us view the Franchises with deep distrust. Not so long ago after our first year of operating the A319 at BHX the then chief pilot took us all out to dinner and told us what a good job we were all doing to make the new agreement work (5 sector days under training 10 sectors in 2 days on the line in and out of CDG)
Shortly afterwards brother Tim sliped off "to help out at Brymon" A year later and we have all been given our marching orders as our work is going to be handed over to BRAL Brymon.....and our former chief pilot is in charge of this new franchise.
Good luck to you all....enjoy the dinner in about a years time!
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Time for a considerable amount of caution here. Future size and shape is due to report in mid January and is likely to come up with some uncomfortable reading. Having talked to one or two of Rod’s disciples, I would be extremely surprised if the findings are anything other than that we have a critical shortage of managers, and will find ourselves with 2-300 pilots in surplus.
Expect to see much shorthaul work given to BACE with no FHR for the crews, and redundancies by fleet surplus and not LIFO. I wish I could say I’m kidding. There’s a small of death around the Bouncy Castle.
Good Luck to all of us
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Expect to see much shorthaul work given to BACE with no FHR for the crews, and redundancies by fleet surplus and not LIFO. I wish I could say I’m kidding. There’s a small of death around the Bouncy Castle.
Good Luck to all of us
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I agree Roobarb.
This review is likely to be devastating, particularly for short haul.
With all the sub-divisions and wholly owned subsiduaries around, Mainline BA is under great threat. I hope that BALPA are readying for a fight.
As you say, if you ask a bunch of Waterworlders where cuts are needed it is very unlikely that they will see 6 senior managers per aircraft as excessive. No, they will see that cutbacks are necessary in the most overworked and underpaid pilots of any major airline.
When will they realise that the only advantage BA has is size, and that this great advantage is lost by fragmenting into little operations all doing the same job on different terms and conditions.
Long may their stream flow.
This review is likely to be devastating, particularly for short haul.
With all the sub-divisions and wholly owned subsiduaries around, Mainline BA is under great threat. I hope that BALPA are readying for a fight.
As you say, if you ask a bunch of Waterworlders where cuts are needed it is very unlikely that they will see 6 senior managers per aircraft as excessive. No, they will see that cutbacks are necessary in the most overworked and underpaid pilots of any major airline.
When will they realise that the only advantage BA has is size, and that this great advantage is lost by fragmenting into little operations all doing the same job on different terms and conditions.
Long may their stream flow.
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411a,
I actually think you make sense most of the time,I certainly am not a strong union man.I still think you are a complete loser as you have nothing better to do than sit at your computer and harrass everyone.
I have news for you,your **** stinks too!
Rgds.
I actually think you make sense most of the time,I certainly am not a strong union man.I still think you are a complete loser as you have nothing better to do than sit at your computer and harrass everyone.
I have news for you,your **** stinks too!
Rgds.
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Bigpants,
As one of your new colleagues workinh for Citiexpress I entirely agree with you in that no doubt much work will no doubt be signed over to BACE, but surely this was obvious when BA chose to buy BRAL.
However this is not a time to promote an us and them attitude, but a time to start working together.
Those of us in BRAL arent all in favour of whats happened, it looks like we are about to be offered new terms and conditions that aren't necessarily going to benefit us.
This is a time for both or all pilot groups within BA to work together and talk as one. voice
As one of your new colleagues workinh for Citiexpress I entirely agree with you in that no doubt much work will no doubt be signed over to BACE, but surely this was obvious when BA chose to buy BRAL.
However this is not a time to promote an us and them attitude, but a time to start working together.
Those of us in BRAL arent all in favour of whats happened, it looks like we are about to be offered new terms and conditions that aren't necessarily going to benefit us.
This is a time for both or all pilot groups within BA to work together and talk as one. voice
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Big Pants,
(Once Again!) TEPs posted for 2 years. They are on Mainline contracts but CitiExpress allowances. Once 2 years is up they bid for a fleet in mainline. Some may want to stay.
(Once Again!) TEPs posted for 2 years. They are on Mainline contracts but CitiExpress allowances. Once 2 years is up they bid for a fleet in mainline. Some may want to stay.
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Amazon man yes I agree that we collectively have to do something because at present our working conditions are constantly being
eroded. I remain very disappointed with the performance of BALPA within BA but at the end of the day the support we get from them is reflected in who you vote in.
The quality and determination of candidates is extremely varied. Some do it for the best of reasons others have their own agenda.
In fairness and in anticipation of the replies no, as yet I have not stood for election but I am giving it some serious thought.
2 Years and then back into mainline ....well maybe but if some of the other posts are correct some of our CEPs may find themselves staying in Citi Express a lot longer. Anyone care to guess on the future size and shape of mainline?
Regards Bigpants
eroded. I remain very disappointed with the performance of BALPA within BA but at the end of the day the support we get from them is reflected in who you vote in.
The quality and determination of candidates is extremely varied. Some do it for the best of reasons others have their own agenda.
In fairness and in anticipation of the replies no, as yet I have not stood for election but I am giving it some serious thought.
2 Years and then back into mainline ....well maybe but if some of the other posts are correct some of our CEPs may find themselves staying in Citi Express a lot longer. Anyone care to guess on the future size and shape of mainline?
Regards Bigpants
