KE 773 landing incident at NRT
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KE 773 landing incident at NRT
Incident: Korean B773 at Tokyo on Jul 13th 2009, tail strikes on landing
BBC NEWS | Special Reports | Korea plane lands on its tail
Aircraft was HL 7532.
BBC NEWS | Special Reports | Korea plane lands on its tail
Aircraft was HL 7532.
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Crikey! Is it just me or does this remind anyone else of Fedex? The video doesn't show it, but it would be interesting to see whether the nose-gear bounced after a first hit on the ground....
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From what I can see of the footage on the BBC report, the nosegear doesn't get involved at all until the rollout and there doesn't seem to be any evidence of a bounce.
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It does look as if the nose gear did not touch down before an unfortunate combination of wind and events lifted the nose very high. The BBC web page informs us:
Unless I have misunderstood the config of a 773, I suspect that the arrival of an a/c called the '380' has got in to the BBC's auto-story generator software ...
A plane carrying 380 passengers had a bumpy landing in Japan.
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Did I miss something? It was simply a tailscrape, people, with no evidence of anything untoward to the nosegear! Because it was:
on landing
at Narita,
does it mean everyone should draw parallels with the Fedex? Simply a tailscrape on landing. I have seen one close up, and startling though it is to witness close by, it is essentially a non-event, and is not likely to lead to hard nosegear touchdown before, or after, the scrape. Some of the remarks seem naive and are better directed to that place where the hysterical aviation kids hang out, not a professionals forum.
on landing
at Narita,
does it mean everyone should draw parallels with the Fedex? Simply a tailscrape on landing. I have seen one close up, and startling though it is to witness close by, it is essentially a non-event, and is not likely to lead to hard nosegear touchdown before, or after, the scrape. Some of the remarks seem naive and are better directed to that place where the hysterical aviation kids hang out, not a professionals forum.
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You must be new around here ;-) Good job this wasn't an Airbus or they'd all be screaming about how dangerous FBW is and drawing tenuous conclusions from Hamburg and Air France and....not to mention Korean pilots, CRM...and how they could all do better in MSFS
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yes there is some deep irony in there too....
Did I miss something? It was simply a tailscrape
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yes there is some deep irony in there too....
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You must be new around here ;-) Good job this wasn't an Airbus or they'd all be screaming about how dangerous FBW is and drawing tenuous conclusions from Hamburg and Air France and....not to mention Korean pilots, CRM...and how they could all do better in MSFS
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Off runway?
The poor angle of the poor quality video looks almost as if tail contact was right of the pavement. There's quite a bit of dust being kicked up.
EDIT: the above is an observation, not speculation.
EDIT: the above is an observation, not speculation.
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Unless you know where the camera was located and know the airport, I don't think you can make any comments about where the scrape occured. Are you seriously suggesting a crew missed the runway? Rather than a sensible discussion taking place on reasons for pitch-up after touchdown causing a scrape, we are getting daft 'shoot from the hip' speculation. If the quantity of smoke leads you to think that they 'landed in the dirt' then you should know a scrape produces prodigious smoke and sparking for a short duration.
Let's keep comment sensible! No simmer theories please! Was it an overzealous attempt to smooth touchdown leading to a strike? Pitch up due to reverse thrust? Poor handling habits? I think only a 777 pilot should speculate likely causes, but 'off the pavement'? Really!
Let's keep comment sensible! No simmer theories please! Was it an overzealous attempt to smooth touchdown leading to a strike? Pitch up due to reverse thrust? Poor handling habits? I think only a 777 pilot should speculate likely causes, but 'off the pavement'? Really!
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Was there much of a crosswind? I know the headlines mentioned 60kt winds, if there was a reasonable crosswind component in that then it could have blown the dust cloud to one side, giving the appearance of it being off the runway from the cctv camera.
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Was there much of a crosswind? I know the headlines mentioned 60kt winds
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If only....
It would be very interesting and informative if we were to find out the cause of that dramatic and sudden pitch up...but I doubt that we ever will.
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It would be very interesting and informative if we were to find out the cause of that dramatic and sudden pitch up...but I doubt that we ever will.
Yes, my heart goes out to all those on board and their families. I doubt if they will ever find the FDR. Another non-tragic incident for which we will never really have an answer. Speculation is pointless, we must await the outcome of a full investigation.
It would be very interesting and informative if we were to find out the cause of that dramatic and sudden pitch up...but I doubt that we ever will.
Yes, my heart goes out to all those on board and their families. I doubt if they will ever find the FDR. Another non-tragic incident for which we will never really have an answer. Speculation is pointless, we must await the outcome of a full investigation.
Because, dear Farrell, some of us out there, do 12 to 15 landings a month in this type. This tail scrape, after what looks like a normal touch down ( and I emphasize "what looks like") can shorten ones career dramatically!! This is not a normal thing to happen and would think this may constitute an accident report!!
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I was at Narita last week. Very gusty crosswind on landing and takeoff a couple of days later!
Anyone know if they EVER plan on making taxiway C into a runway as I believe was the origional plan? It would come in handy at various times of the year!
Anyone know if they EVER plan on making taxiway C into a runway as I believe was the origional plan? It would come in handy at various times of the year!