KE 773 landing incident at NRT
Is that the Double Stuff variety
Is it not "orographic" turblulence that you meant instead of "oreographic?"
I thought that the latter came in both a regular and a double stuff variety and were best ingested when in need of a serious amount of sugar.
JMHO but the last thing I would be looking at when solving the drift/crab/slip equation during a 40K landing in the flare would be the other pilot's face!
I thought that the latter came in both a regular and a double stuff variety and were best ingested when in need of a serious amount of sugar.
JMHO but the last thing I would be looking at when solving the drift/crab/slip equation during a 40K landing in the flare would be the other pilot's face!
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"JMHO but the last thing I would be looking at when solving the drift/crab/slip equation during a 40K landing in the flare would be the other pilot's face! "
It's an art form, not a science.
I've been flying for the airlines since 1972.
You'd be surprised at what First Officers have taught this Captain.
Never a day goes by when I don't learn something. I turn 60 this year, and it will be my final day of flying.
After 2 August 2010, look for me in Nha Trang, Vietnam. If I'm not in my Condo on the beach, look for me at the Microbrewery south of town.
It will be easy to pick me out. Unlike the Russians, I don't smell bad nor do I smoke. And the woman with me will not have a mustache.
It's an art form, not a science.
I've been flying for the airlines since 1972.
You'd be surprised at what First Officers have taught this Captain.
Never a day goes by when I don't learn something. I turn 60 this year, and it will be my final day of flying.
After 2 August 2010, look for me in Nha Trang, Vietnam. If I'm not in my Condo on the beach, look for me at the Microbrewery south of town.
It will be easy to pick me out. Unlike the Russians, I don't smell bad nor do I smoke. And the woman with me will not have a mustache.
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Hey AV8!
Well put, you're a hell of guy.
It would be great to share a beer with you, learning from your histories and vast knowledge.
Nice to know your preserve your humbleness.
Kudos, buddy!
Well put, you're a hell of guy.
It would be great to share a beer with you, learning from your histories and vast knowledge.
Nice to know your preserve your humbleness.
Kudos, buddy!
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Can someone pls comment and/or explain why there is only the right wing spoilers that kicks in at touchdown of the Air-France B74F in NRT from the link posted by Willoz ? Strangly the left wing spoilers seems to extend fully only way down the runway (1'38'')
Link again : http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXUs-712PF0
Link again : http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXUs-712PF0
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Be that as it may, I have been flying in and out of Narita since 1988. Narita can have the worse oreographic turbulence landing on 16 that I have ever encountered.
Just a thought to those who suggest copying what the Autoland crosswind technique is, on my types the Autoland crosswind limit is about half of that for a manual landing suggesting that maybe the Autoland technique may not be appropriate at the higher crosswind components.
Think otherwise?
Just ask the folks that fly this truly remarkable airplane....still.
My present First Officer has flown both the L10 and the A320 extensively...he knows the difference...and according to him, the L1011 is far superior in both automatic and manual crosswind adaptability.
And, why not...it's a Lockheed design.
With the L1011, four spoiler panels on each wing extend fully when landing, panels 5&6 are used for roll control, throughout the landing maneuver.
A well thought out arrangement.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know. If you don't tell us in every post how good you are it's the L1011. It's like listening to a stuck record
A superb design that makes average pilots perform like an ace...everytime.
Yes, the design is really old, but superb nevertheless.
Scratchpad;
It may sound like a broken record and 411a may not have to deal with the industry on the same basis as most of us do where we have permitted the Lorenzo's, Icahn's and Crandall's and their collective use of de-regulation to destroy this profession. We may not see what we want to see from 411a in CRM-ish responses or the silly abiding respect for bluster and blather we often see elsewhere, but 411a speaks the truth about the airplane and about the requirement for original high level of skill, experience and dedication to high standards and a constant learning of one's craft regardless of source or if one is paid-to-learn.
I suspect the piss-off is, all seasoned veterans already know all this intuitively and properly hate to be mothered or "told"; we also know that bragging in aviation is a dangerous thing an react poorly to it and so we should. Once in a while we hear CEOs stupid enough to brag to the world that their airline is the "safest in the world" - it broadcasts a huge ignorance about the business.
I've got lots of time in Lockeed, Airbus, Boeing and Douglas equipment and hands-down the L1011-500 is the finest airliner ever built. Doesn't mean the rest don't do the job really well but the airplane is a pilots' airplane. Expensive to maintain, with higher burns than the 330/340 it wasn't the success it ought to have been especially against the MD Death Star but that's politics, economics and a bit of ethics, not design.
It may sound like a broken record and 411a may not have to deal with the industry on the same basis as most of us do where we have permitted the Lorenzo's, Icahn's and Crandall's and their collective use of de-regulation to destroy this profession. We may not see what we want to see from 411a in CRM-ish responses or the silly abiding respect for bluster and blather we often see elsewhere, but 411a speaks the truth about the airplane and about the requirement for original high level of skill, experience and dedication to high standards and a constant learning of one's craft regardless of source or if one is paid-to-learn.
I suspect the piss-off is, all seasoned veterans already know all this intuitively and properly hate to be mothered or "told"; we also know that bragging in aviation is a dangerous thing an react poorly to it and so we should. Once in a while we hear CEOs stupid enough to brag to the world that their airline is the "safest in the world" - it broadcasts a huge ignorance about the business.
I've got lots of time in Lockeed, Airbus, Boeing and Douglas equipment and hands-down the L1011-500 is the finest airliner ever built. Doesn't mean the rest don't do the job really well but the airplane is a pilots' airplane. Expensive to maintain, with higher burns than the 330/340 it wasn't the success it ought to have been especially against the MD Death Star but that's politics, economics and a bit of ethics, not design.
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...rings alarm bells.
I personally have a slight advantage, as I was originally trained onto 4-engine heavy jets by....PanAmerican.
Finest training I have personally ever received, bar none.
Also, there was none of this 'CRM' nonsense back then.
We had something far better, it was called crew co-ordination'.
Worked far better than the psycho-babble baloney we hear nowadays.
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'Crew co-ordination'
now reasoning for your anti-CRM is starting to make some sense. The Captain is still in charge as the responsibility is his/hers. How can a 'junior' develop the respect, aspirations and desire to absorb and learn from the 'Senior' when all you gain in the modern CRM world once in the left seat is the blame when it goes wrong.
There has to be a leader, democracy does not work
now reasoning for your anti-CRM is starting to make some sense. The Captain is still in charge as the responsibility is his/hers. How can a 'junior' develop the respect, aspirations and desire to absorb and learn from the 'Senior' when all you gain in the modern CRM world once in the left seat is the blame when it goes wrong.
There has to be a leader, democracy does not work
