ryr Landed In a taxyway by mistake in CAG
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I'm not great on Italian, but ...
A Ryanair flight from Gerona to Cagliari landed on a taxiway instead of the runway.
ENAC (the Italian CAA) has asked the ANSV (the Italian version of the AAIB) to investigate.
Last para: something about the structure of FR and in particular, their training of flight crews.
Ciao.
Here's a link to Cagliari Airport; you can see a fairly wide taxiway parallel to 14/32.
39.251469,9.054283 - Google Maps
A Ryanair flight from Gerona to Cagliari landed on a taxiway instead of the runway.
ENAC (the Italian CAA) has asked the ANSV (the Italian version of the AAIB) to investigate.
Last para: something about the structure of FR and in particular, their training of flight crews.
Ciao.
Here's a link to Cagliari Airport; you can see a fairly wide taxiway parallel to 14/32.
39.251469,9.054283 - Google Maps
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Goooooogle version
Press release
RYANAIR PLANE VIA lands on taxiway DI CAGLIARI: SURVEY ON ENAC COMPANY AND LEVEL OF TRAINING FOR FLIGHT CREWS
The ENAC said that in the morning today, the Ryanair flight from Girona Assigned Cagliari landed on the road to the airport of Cagliari-block and not on the flight track.
Nell'atterraggio there were consequences for passengers.
The ENAC warned of what the ANSV, National Agency for Flight Safety, the agency owner of the progress of investigations in aviation.
Vito Riggio, the President and CEO Silvano Manera make known to have made provisions to its facilities to launch an investigation into the Irish airline, particularly on the level of preparedness of the crew.
Rome, 12-04-2009
Ciao.
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RYANAIR PLANE VIA lands on taxiway DI CAGLIARI: SURVEY ON ENAC COMPANY AND LEVEL OF TRAINING FOR FLIGHT CREWS
The ENAC said that in the morning today, the Ryanair flight from Girona Assigned Cagliari landed on the road to the airport of Cagliari-block and not on the flight track.
Nell'atterraggio there were consequences for passengers.
The ENAC warned of what the ANSV, National Agency for Flight Safety, the agency owner of the progress of investigations in aviation.
Vito Riggio, the President and CEO Silvano Manera make known to have made provisions to its facilities to launch an investigation into the Irish airline, particularly on the level of preparedness of the crew.
Rome, 12-04-2009
Ciao.
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Translation plz since I guess im not the only one here not speaking italian?
RYANAIR PLANE LANDS ON TAXIWAY AT CAGLIARI: ENAC TO INVESTIGATE THE COMPANY AND THEIR LEVEL OF TRAINING FOR FLIGHT CREWS
ENAC stated that this morning's Ryanair flight from Girona to Cagliari landed on the airport taxiway rather than the runway,
There was no danger to the inbound passengers.
ENAC has reported the incident to the ANSV (The National Agency for Flight Safety), the investigative authority of aviation.
The President, Vito Riggio, and the Director, Silvano Manera, announced an investigation into the Irish airline, in particular the level if preparedness of the flight crew.
Rome 12 April 2009
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CAG. The destination "most likely to".
Closley situated parallell runways, the "runway" currently acting as a taxiway and vice versa, offset approach procedure to the taxiway then step across to land, far from obvious situation visually, poorly marked.
Lousy ATC, lousy English, lousy procedures = high workload throughout the approach. Add a bit of inattention and it's an incident waiting to happen, imho. Try and fly this approach visually and I'd say it's almost a certainty.
I'm no great fan of Ryanair, but I feel a wee bit sorry for them. They're not the only ones who need investigation over this...
Closley situated parallell runways, the "runway" currently acting as a taxiway and vice versa, offset approach procedure to the taxiway then step across to land, far from obvious situation visually, poorly marked.
Lousy ATC, lousy English, lousy procedures = high workload throughout the approach. Add a bit of inattention and it's an incident waiting to happen, imho. Try and fly this approach visually and I'd say it's almost a certainty.
I'm no great fan of Ryanair, but I feel a wee bit sorry for them. They're not the only ones who need investigation over this...
Italy - lovely country, lovely people but from an aviation point of view approaching third world status methinks.
Commiserations to the guys - just remember the person that never makes a mistake never makes anything.
Commiserations to the guys - just remember the person that never makes a mistake never makes anything.
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in particular the level of preparedness of the flight crew.
CAG is THE most disorganized, haphazard, "anything goes" airport in Europe. How can one be expected to be prepared when it is not at all untypical to be cleared for up to 7 different approaches from top of descent to landing!? Only when crossing the threshold can one be certain of the approach type and can one be certain of the runway in use. Even as low as 1000ft they will attempt to spring a circling approach on crews.
Every single visit we make there sees a lack of professionalism, effort and downright negligence by both Rome Control and CAG approach brought to ever higher levels. It is total chaos every single time. One only has to look at the Meridiana incident a while back to see what total incompetents the ATC and ENAC in general are.
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The problem is the first time you go there you have no warning. It might have been the Girona crews first time there.
While it is beyond question that ultimately the Crew are responsible, and more so that the Captain has ultimate responsibility, we live in an era of higher awareness of CRM and human factors. Good CRM is about good back up and support by all individuals involved in the handling of a flight.
This concept should extend to ATC too.
In CAG this concept is completely alien. If I was told that ATC were not monitoring the aircraft landing, the most basic function of a Tower controller I would have assumed, I would not be the least bit surprised. If I were in the UK or Germany, I would be quietly confident that the TWR controller would be alert to the possibility of a screw up and would be vigilant. While this does not absolve me of responsibility and I still treat every ATC call with suspicion, one feels like it is a team activity rather then the adversarial role one encounters with Italian ATC. Calling their standards Third World is being generous.
Who was flying it? ATC?
This concept should extend to ATC too.
In CAG this concept is completely alien. If I was told that ATC were not monitoring the aircraft landing, the most basic function of a Tower controller I would have assumed, I would not be the least bit surprised. If I were in the UK or Germany, I would be quietly confident that the TWR controller would be alert to the possibility of a screw up and would be vigilant. While this does not absolve me of responsibility and I still treat every ATC call with suspicion, one feels like it is a team activity rather then the adversarial role one encounters with Italian ATC. Calling their standards Third World is being generous.
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One can expect airline people, whom I assume represent the majority of the posters on here, on the whole to be anti-ryr, but what the hell does "Il Presidente Vito Riggio" know about them?? Il Presidente was what Mussolini was called as well as Il Duce.
In addition, the poster who put up the ryr photos might like to present us with the calculations of the % of 'incidents' that ryr should have, vis a vis other lines, seeing as how they are the largest in Europe?
Bye, Barry
In addition, the poster who put up the ryr photos might like to present us with the calculations of the % of 'incidents' that ryr should have, vis a vis other lines, seeing as how they are the largest in Europe?
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So...this taxiway landing event happened in Italy. Anyone know if the occupants (passengers and crew) of the airplane, ATC, airport personnel, or passerbys been arrested? 
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FWIW, according to a post in the Italian section:
"In Cagliari the taxiway was being used as a runway until last week while the main rainway was undergoing maintenance lasting many months; I don't know if they have changed the markings already... or if the cockpit did have up to date plates"
"In Cagliari the taxiway was being used as a runway until last week while the main rainway was undergoing maintenance lasting many months; I don't know if they have changed the markings already... or if the cockpit did have up to date plates"
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Looks like ENAC are looking for a revenge against MOL and his comments about birds control in Ciampino.
Fortunately, with the proffessionalism demonstrated by FR crews, no chance ENAC could find anything wrong.
A one off screw up fortunately without any consequences on the flight and passengers.
Fortunately, with the proffessionalism demonstrated by FR crews, no chance ENAC could find anything wrong.
A one off screw up fortunately without any consequences on the flight and passengers.
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Il Presidente was what Mussolini was called as well as Il Duce.
Mussolini was Prime Minister, at that time Italy did non have a President. Italy had a King.
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B1003/09 - TRIGGER NOTAM - EFFECTIVENESS OF PERM PROVISIONS PUBLISHED LAST04 DEC 2008 WITH AIRAC AIP AMDT 13/08 AND CONCERNING FLW ITEMSPOSTPONED TO 09 APR 2009:- RE-ESTABLISHMENT OF NORMAL OPERATIONS ON RWY 14/32- NEW AERODROME LAY-OUT- COMPLETE REVIEW OF INSTRUMENTAL APPROACH PROCEDURESTHEREFORE AIP SUP 20/07 WILL BE IN FORCE UNTIL 08 APR 2009AIRAC WILL BE POSTED AND AVBL ON WEB SITE WWW.ENAV.IT. 12 FEB 15:55 2009 UNTIL22 APR 23:59 2009. CREATED: 12 FEB 15:56 2009ENAC,Italy, Italians,etc : is only a big MISTAKE
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Looks like ENAC are looking for a revenge against MOL and his comments about birds control in Ciampino.
Fortunately, with the proffessionalism demonstrated by FR crews, no chance ENAC could find anything wrong.
A one off screw up fortunately without any consequences on the flight and passengers.
Fortunately, with the proffessionalism demonstrated by FR crews, no chance ENAC could find anything wrong.
A one off screw up fortunately without any consequences on the flight and passengers.
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Maybe it's the fact that the locos will accept these sub-standard airfields as acceptable destinations that causes these incidents.
As someone said already, it's not the crew that are ultimately responsible. It's that leech MOL and his management team.
Itsa ajob, to quote O'Leary 'two hull losses'
As someone said already, it's not the crew that are ultimately responsible. It's that leech MOL and his management team.
Itsa ajob, to quote O'Leary 'two hull losses'