ryanair to start new york flights
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There are several airlines doing stage lengths that are around that distance already in the NG737, quite profitably I might add. The 737NG is a much higher climber than the A320 and cruises as fast as a 757 now.
American is Running ORD-ANC
ALOHA is running Hawaii to Las Vegas (180 min etops requied)
Southwest is now doing transcon flying as well.
The size of the aircraft doesn't really matter. Its about seatmile costs...
If you give the people enough room within their seats and enough Lavs, (E.G. AA's more room through coach program) the actual size of the aircraft does not matter except for the flight crew's paycheck.
Its all about connecting city pairs. If Ryan air is gonna connect two secondary cities, they will be able to avoid airport crushes, huges lines, expensive parking etc. That has been southwest's formula all along. Southwest pulled out of Denver, SFO etc...
You guys aren't studying closely enough. Its all about point to point these days. The more points the better. The crush on the airline infrastructure is at the airports, not up in the air.
Cheers
Wino
American is Running ORD-ANC
ALOHA is running Hawaii to Las Vegas (180 min etops requied)
Southwest is now doing transcon flying as well.
The size of the aircraft doesn't really matter. Its about seatmile costs...
If you give the people enough room within their seats and enough Lavs, (E.G. AA's more room through coach program) the actual size of the aircraft does not matter except for the flight crew's paycheck.
Its all about connecting city pairs. If Ryan air is gonna connect two secondary cities, they will be able to avoid airport crushes, huges lines, expensive parking etc. That has been southwest's formula all along. Southwest pulled out of Denver, SFO etc...
You guys aren't studying closely enough. Its all about point to point these days. The more points the better. The crush on the airline infrastructure is at the airports, not up in the air.
Cheers
Wino
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When reading your posts why do the words "pompous" and "trite" spring to mind.
"Leave it to the professionals". You degenerate swine, how good are you? I bet that you are the type of pilot who regularly tramples other pilots on the RT etc etc.
There are plenty of excellent airmen and women working for Ryanair and you do their future careers either in or out of Ryanair no help whatsoever.
Fancy a pint next time I see you.
When reading your posts why do the words "pompous" and "trite" spring to mind.
"Leave it to the professionals". You degenerate swine, how good are you? I bet that you are the type of pilot who regularly tramples other pilots on the RT etc etc.
There are plenty of excellent airmen and women working for Ryanair and you do their future careers either in or out of Ryanair no help whatsoever.
Fancy a pint next time I see you.
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bored cheese.
sorry. i can see how my earlier posting could have caused offence. what i was trying to say was that ryanair has no experience whatsoever of ETOPS flying, or of the sector lengths involved, and of this new a/c. it appears that they are trying to rush the process through and to do too much too soon. what is more is that nobody at all fly's 737's on that route. the new 737ng may a far better performance envelope, but (and its a very big but) it has no proven track record. existing transatlantic airlines and the a/c that they fly such as 747/757/767/777 a300/330 all have had proven track records before being accepted for ETOPS clearance.
ryanair will have to prove themselves very strongly, and it will be a lengthy process in order for etops certification to be granted.
sorry. i can see how my earlier posting could have caused offence. what i was trying to say was that ryanair has no experience whatsoever of ETOPS flying, or of the sector lengths involved, and of this new a/c. it appears that they are trying to rush the process through and to do too much too soon. what is more is that nobody at all fly's 737's on that route. the new 737ng may a far better performance envelope, but (and its a very big but) it has no proven track record. existing transatlantic airlines and the a/c that they fly such as 747/757/767/777 a300/330 all have had proven track records before being accepted for ETOPS clearance.
ryanair will have to prove themselves very strongly, and it will be a lengthy process in order for etops certification to be granted.
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I assume that the destination would be KSYR, Syracuse Hancock International, NY which is about 250 miles / 5 hours north of the Big Apple. (That's about the same driving time to Manhatten as from Newark ;-) )
I'm tempted to believe RyanAir might be considering the much-closer-to-NYC White Birch Field Airport in Hancock, NY
www.airnav.com/airport/4N8
where the single runway, 17/35 is 1900ft of fair quality turf :-)
I'm tempted to believe RyanAir might be considering the much-closer-to-NYC White Birch Field Airport in Hancock, NY
www.airnav.com/airport/4N8
where the single runway, 17/35 is 1900ft of fair quality turf :-)
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noax2grind.
and how many pax to they have on board ??
whats the range of a 737-800 with say 150 pax onboard + 20kgs baggage per person, and carrying the fuel required for north atlantic flying. plus, if additional fuel tanks are to be fitted, baggage space will be reduced, and 737's have a habit of bulking out with those sort of loads expected. even on a direct route i forcast many a tech stop !! plus the fact that if they have to fly the blue spruce route for a while, whilst awaiting approval they are deffinately going to have to tech stop.
plus if the lead in price is going to be £130 from dub, add on an extra £50 for uk-dub and presuming this includes tax, doesn't seem any cheaper than that offered by ba,vs,ua,aa,co etc !!
personally still think this is a wind up. or at least i hope it is !!!
and how many pax to they have on board ??
whats the range of a 737-800 with say 150 pax onboard + 20kgs baggage per person, and carrying the fuel required for north atlantic flying. plus, if additional fuel tanks are to be fitted, baggage space will be reduced, and 737's have a habit of bulking out with those sort of loads expected. even on a direct route i forcast many a tech stop !! plus the fact that if they have to fly the blue spruce route for a while, whilst awaiting approval they are deffinately going to have to tech stop.
plus if the lead in price is going to be £130 from dub, add on an extra £50 for uk-dub and presuming this includes tax, doesn't seem any cheaper than that offered by ba,vs,ua,aa,co etc !!
personally still think this is a wind up. or at least i hope it is !!!
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boeing boy ryanair plan and i emphasise plan to use a 737 900 series aircraft which from my boeing source has a higher mtow and longer range.As ryanair is an irish airline they intend to operate a no frills service from dub or snn to an airport called hankok in ny.This is a secondary airport and is easy to get in and out of.It has a high speed link to downtown ny,this is ryanairs type of airport cheap and cheerful,for 130 pounds you pay for what you get point a to b thats it.It is working for them everywhere else so why not here.Continental airlines operate a 757 from jfk to snn daily which has almost identical performance as a 737 900 series aircraft and the 900 series cruises faster so i hope this clarifys your query.
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Having spoken recently with Tim Jeans at Ryanair, there is no way that they would fly 6 or 7 hour sectors. They pulled one of the Italian routes because (among other things) the aircraft utilisation was too low.
They consider anything over 3 hrs to be too long of their operation. High frequency short-haul operations is the Ryanair game.
Nice April Fool.. seems to have "got" a few folk
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They consider anything over 3 hrs to be too long of their operation. High frequency short-haul operations is the Ryanair game.
Nice April Fool.. seems to have "got" a few folk
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Speak your mind - It proves you have one!
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for your informaton the profit per seat mile on the 737 900 series is an acceptable profit
it is hard to believe but they are seriously looking at the route no one ever believed ryanair before but if you looked on flight a few months ago then you would have seen an article about it and its viability o leary said"we have no immediate plans but we are always looking for new ideas"time will tell why not
it is hard to believe but they are seriously looking at the route no one ever believed ryanair before but if you looked on flight a few months ago then you would have seen an article about it and its viability o leary said"we have no immediate plans but we are always looking for new ideas"time will tell why not
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> Skyclear> Yeee right I have a life and a good job without slavery conditions ( 100 hrs a month). But keep up the good work and Dont ! save money to your retirement. By the age of 60 in Ryan Scair you will be dead And by the way, I can get my head out of my A'ss'e because yours a stock there
Front seat window> the airport you mentioned must be to close to N.Y.
A typical Ryan Scair airport is at least 6 hrs from nowhere.
And by the way, I can get my head out of my A'ss'e because yours a stock there Front seat window> the airport you mentioned must be to close to N.Y.
A typical Ryan Scair airport is at least 6 hrs from nowhere.
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Further to my last.....
It has just been pointed out to me by a fellow PPRuNer (we're sharing the facilities and beverages of a most agreable CyberCafe downroute) that the use of the term "cowboy" may be somewhat derogatory to the many Americans we meet on our travels. I therefore wish to retract it and substitute "Croatian goat herder" in it's place. I trust this has resolved the matter.
Right, back to the the Wolfblass.
It has just been pointed out to me by a fellow PPRuNer (we're sharing the facilities and beverages of a most agreable CyberCafe downroute) that the use of the term "cowboy" may be somewhat derogatory to the many Americans we meet on our travels. I therefore wish to retract it and substitute "Croatian goat herder" in it's place. I trust this has resolved the matter.
Right, back to the the Wolfblass.
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Augustus, I understand you must be a bit p***ed or else that Australian vinegar you're drinking is giving you hallucinations, but you've just insulted a hell of a lot of pilots here in PPRuNeland.
For all our benefit can you clarify what you're saying? Do you think that those working for Ryanair, Go, Easyjet, Southwest, Buzz etc are in some way inferior to pilots in the majors? Are they more reckless with regards to safety, or do you think that they couldn't handle the "rocket Science" that is the NatTrack system.
Whether you like it or not and obviously you don't, these Pilots are excellent airmen, fully trained to top standards and many are also highly experienced, they work bloody hard and get well paid for it.
Keep drinking Augustus and you might start to make sense, I hope you haven't lowered yourself to be sitting in one of Stelios' cafes?
For all our benefit can you clarify what you're saying? Do you think that those working for Ryanair, Go, Easyjet, Southwest, Buzz etc are in some way inferior to pilots in the majors? Are they more reckless with regards to safety, or do you think that they couldn't handle the "rocket Science" that is the NatTrack system.
Whether you like it or not and obviously you don't, these Pilots are excellent airmen, fully trained to top standards and many are also highly experienced, they work bloody hard and get well paid for it.
Keep drinking Augustus and you might start to make sense, I hope you haven't lowered yourself to be sitting in one of Stelios' cafes?
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Augustus
Your occupation "Gentleman Aviator" is not really justyfied in your last two comments..
One should be careful - like OneWorld22 also indicates - not to insult colleagues..
You never know when you need to have them as friends..
OK - this posting was apparently an Aprils Fools so I would consider everything posted within as a joke..
A lively business indeed - changing from day to day..
Your occupation "Gentleman Aviator" is not really justyfied in your last two comments..
One should be careful - like OneWorld22 also indicates - not to insult colleagues..
You never know when you need to have them as friends..
OK - this posting was apparently an Aprils Fools so I would consider everything posted within as a joke..
A lively business indeed - changing from day to day..
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For 'sofsonteaser':-
I apologise. I just got a little wound up. Those in it know they work more than anyone else. Those wanting to join know it too. Everybody chooses what they want to do. I am in it for the money. I felt to describe us (and there are a lot of us) as fools was inappropriate.
Each to his own.
I apologise. I just got a little wound up. Those in it know they work more than anyone else. Those wanting to join know it too. Everybody chooses what they want to do. I am in it for the money. I felt to describe us (and there are a lot of us) as fools was inappropriate.
Each to his own.