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Sgt culpepper,
Why dont you go and kiss my big hairy ass?! The whole point of this thread and what people do is to highlight obivious security holes. No sorry about that big ****in holes in the security at Dublin. Yes Ive already said in a letter sent to Dublin airport almost 12 months ago about how easy it was to access the ramp both from the road and the terminal!! Where in the EU are you? Because the security is probably a lot better in your local airport, In fact the security in Toys 'R' Us is better than that at Dublin. AND BEFORE YOU RELLAY **** ME OFF ABOUT IT, IM GONNA SCREAM HERE AND ANYWHERE ELSE UNTIL SOMEBODY IN AER RIANTA DOES SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
For a bit of an entertaining about the airport 'police' check out www.airportpolice.com
Why dont you go and kiss my big hairy ass?! The whole point of this thread and what people do is to highlight obivious security holes. No sorry about that big ****in holes in the security at Dublin. Yes Ive already said in a letter sent to Dublin airport almost 12 months ago about how easy it was to access the ramp both from the road and the terminal!! Where in the EU are you? Because the security is probably a lot better in your local airport, In fact the security in Toys 'R' Us is better than that at Dublin. AND BEFORE YOU RELLAY **** ME OFF ABOUT IT, IM GONNA SCREAM HERE AND ANYWHERE ELSE UNTIL SOMEBODY IN AER RIANTA DOES SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
For a bit of an entertaining about the airport 'police' check out www.airportpolice.com
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sgt.culpepper,
I think it is quite obvious from my post that I DO take my security and that of others seriously. Unfortunately, Aer Rianta doesn’t seem to be so concerned. I think the company’s attitude to the television article shows how they behave when confronted with flaws in their security system. I must also say that any dealings I’ve had with the Airport Police at DUB in the past have been unpleasant encounters, to say the least.
Gash
I think it is quite obvious from my post that I DO take my security and that of others seriously. Unfortunately, Aer Rianta doesn’t seem to be so concerned. I think the company’s attitude to the television article shows how they behave when confronted with flaws in their security system. I must also say that any dealings I’ve had with the Airport Police at DUB in the past have been unpleasant encounters, to say the least.
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Quote from a Buzz steward "I don't know why we stop you taking knives on board at Stansted, you could take a chainsaw in your hand baggage at Jerez and they wouldn't say a word". The trouble is, he's right. The security is lax - but still not as bad as the USA was until 11 sept.
Mind you, two decent sized blokes could take control of an aeroplane with no weapons at all if the cockpit door is capable of being breached. Add to that the fact that the in-flight meal comes complete with weapons (you can kill a man with a plastic knife) and you realise that there is no way of stopping all the crazies.
How about: hairpins, leg calipers, mace spray in handbags, heavy duty plaster cast (great club as my brother found out in a fight at age 7), the (broken) plastic ruler from a kids pencil set etc. etc.
However, ask the question, "when did a european airliner last get hijacked?". Also, ask yourselves, which large western atlantic country allowed un-accompanied baggage to fly until 11 sept? You would have thought that after Lockerbie they might have learned that airline security is not someone elses problem. It just showed a blind assumption that anyone living in America would not be bad enough to hijack an airliner.
I am as shocked and disgusted as anyone else - I was stunned and numbed as I watched the footage and then had to go into the sim to train airline pilots of the future. You sometimes wonder what is happening to the world and if there is any hope of halting theses people.
However, if you want security you need more than just lip service to the principles. Keep on highlighting the defects, folks, and that goes for the press too - only then will the loopholes be closed off.
[ 10 October 2001: Message edited by: moggie ]
Mind you, two decent sized blokes could take control of an aeroplane with no weapons at all if the cockpit door is capable of being breached. Add to that the fact that the in-flight meal comes complete with weapons (you can kill a man with a plastic knife) and you realise that there is no way of stopping all the crazies.
How about: hairpins, leg calipers, mace spray in handbags, heavy duty plaster cast (great club as my brother found out in a fight at age 7), the (broken) plastic ruler from a kids pencil set etc. etc.
However, ask the question, "when did a european airliner last get hijacked?". Also, ask yourselves, which large western atlantic country allowed un-accompanied baggage to fly until 11 sept? You would have thought that after Lockerbie they might have learned that airline security is not someone elses problem. It just showed a blind assumption that anyone living in America would not be bad enough to hijack an airliner.
I am as shocked and disgusted as anyone else - I was stunned and numbed as I watched the footage and then had to go into the sim to train airline pilots of the future. You sometimes wonder what is happening to the world and if there is any hope of halting theses people.
However, if you want security you need more than just lip service to the principles. Keep on highlighting the defects, folks, and that goes for the press too - only then will the loopholes be closed off.
[ 10 October 2001: Message edited by: moggie ]
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Security...
As an BizAv guy I only can wonder what the hell they (security) think. Since Sep the 11th I get checked much more in my Homebase (EDDS). What they apparently don´t understand is, that as a Pilot I wouldn´t need a weapon to hijack myself...
On the other hand there are so many foreigners (to be exact: muslim foreigners) working as cleaners , loaders and caterers, that would pass the gates unchecked simply because of the sheer numbers.
Airking
As an BizAv guy I only can wonder what the hell they (security) think. Since Sep the 11th I get checked much more in my Homebase (EDDS). What they apparently don´t understand is, that as a Pilot I wouldn´t need a weapon to hijack myself...
On the other hand there are so many foreigners (to be exact: muslim foreigners) working as cleaners , loaders and caterers, that would pass the gates unchecked simply because of the sheer numbers.
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I boarded a Ryanair flight back from Dinard to Stansted on Monday. My hand luggage contained 4 rather nice bottles (glass)of wine, but my nail file was taken off me...
What would you rather be attacked with; a 2.5 inch blunt nail file, or a broken wine bottle....?
What would you rather be attacked with; a 2.5 inch blunt nail file, or a broken wine bottle....?
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Airbourne;
Firstly, what is your problem with everyone at Dublin Airport....
"I also saw 2 members of the gardai who only wanted to be inside so they could get a frothy cup of coffee from bewleys!!"
What in the name of God brought you to the conclusion that two Gardai, by being in the airport just wanted to get a cup of coffee..are you for real ..??
So, by having a walk around the terminal you saw at first hand all the security at Dublin..!! Tell me how you can walk into the arrivals area with no check..?
I for one, can give you a detailed list of security failures at DUB that would make your hair stand up and no doubt show Aer Rianta up for their total lack of planning in this field, but this is neither the forum nor time for this type of disclosure to all and sundry.
I hope everyone reading these pages will remember that Aer Rianta hire their own private security people, who go by the name of "airport police", In Ireland there is only one recognised police force (The Garda). This private security wing of Aer Rianta, dress, behave and drive vehicles with the same colours and identification as the "real police in Ireland. People who work at Dublin Airport call the Aer Rianta security people "the Joeys" They have limited powers at the airport and have been sued many times for breaching peoples rights. Each time they are sued, they never contest the details in the courts are cases are settled "out of court"
I do agree with your last line though..
"Its obivious that Aer Rianta are not taking the threat serious of an a/c being hijacked in Ireland and been flown into something in London which is only an hour away."
Firstly, what is your problem with everyone at Dublin Airport....
"I also saw 2 members of the gardai who only wanted to be inside so they could get a frothy cup of coffee from bewleys!!"
What in the name of God brought you to the conclusion that two Gardai, by being in the airport just wanted to get a cup of coffee..are you for real ..??
So, by having a walk around the terminal you saw at first hand all the security at Dublin..!! Tell me how you can walk into the arrivals area with no check..?
I for one, can give you a detailed list of security failures at DUB that would make your hair stand up and no doubt show Aer Rianta up for their total lack of planning in this field, but this is neither the forum nor time for this type of disclosure to all and sundry.
I hope everyone reading these pages will remember that Aer Rianta hire their own private security people, who go by the name of "airport police", In Ireland there is only one recognised police force (The Garda). This private security wing of Aer Rianta, dress, behave and drive vehicles with the same colours and identification as the "real police in Ireland. People who work at Dublin Airport call the Aer Rianta security people "the Joeys" They have limited powers at the airport and have been sued many times for breaching peoples rights. Each time they are sued, they never contest the details in the courts are cases are settled "out of court"
I do agree with your last line though..
"Its obivious that Aer Rianta are not taking the threat serious of an a/c being hijacked in Ireland and been flown into something in London which is only an hour away."
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Flame,
I dont have anything against anybody at Dublin airport. I simply want to make a point. Yes, I too know about the 'joeys' and their shameful practices. Did you check out www.airportpolice.com which gives a shameful account of a body that is supposed to protect us and visiting aircraft at DUB. In light of what TV3 did at the airport last week simply raised the issue at the airport. What have Aer Rianta done about this so far, nothing apart from demand an apology from TV3. When I said I walked around the arrivals area I meant the public arrivals area, nothing else, but from first hand knowledge have seen the rest right down to and around the ramp.
Now lets not start mud slinging at each other, I simply want to get the point across from someone who uses DUB at least once a month and has several friends working in a lot of different area of the terminal.
So the question remains, will Aer Rianta do anything about this and secondly will they make any statement about the TV3 report? In short probably not!
I dont have anything against anybody at Dublin airport. I simply want to make a point. Yes, I too know about the 'joeys' and their shameful practices. Did you check out www.airportpolice.com which gives a shameful account of a body that is supposed to protect us and visiting aircraft at DUB. In light of what TV3 did at the airport last week simply raised the issue at the airport. What have Aer Rianta done about this so far, nothing apart from demand an apology from TV3. When I said I walked around the arrivals area I meant the public arrivals area, nothing else, but from first hand knowledge have seen the rest right down to and around the ramp.
Now lets not start mud slinging at each other, I simply want to get the point across from someone who uses DUB at least once a month and has several friends working in a lot of different area of the terminal.
So the question remains, will Aer Rianta do anything about this and secondly will they make any statement about the TV3 report? In short probably not!
A crew in our company who positioned back from DUB the other day had their razor blades taken off them at security. It did'nt cause to much of a problem though because once they were airside they managed to buy some more at the duty free!. Things are getting a little silly me thinks.
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Airbourne;
OK, lets not get heated here, firstly..I totally agree with you about the "airport security people" at Dublin Airport..I.E "The Joeys", Their management, just like most in the higher echelons at Aer Rianta are total dimwits. My only problem with what you said was in relation to your comments re the 2 members of the Gardai at Dublin Airport when you saw them..your comment about them was unjustified
Over to you.....
OK, lets not get heated here, firstly..I totally agree with you about the "airport security people" at Dublin Airport..I.E "The Joeys", Their management, just like most in the higher echelons at Aer Rianta are total dimwits. My only problem with what you said was in relation to your comments re the 2 members of the Gardai at Dublin Airport when you saw them..your comment about them was unjustified
Over to you.....
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Flame,
Well thats exactly what they were doing nothing else. My point is that all other airports have increased the 'presence' Dublin havnt. It woulnt exactly inspire confidence would it?
Well thats exactly what they were doing nothing else. My point is that all other airports have increased the 'presence' Dublin havnt. It woulnt exactly inspire confidence would it?
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Airbourne, your response (kiss my....etc) to what was a gentle rebuke says a lot about you. I suspect you attract attention from security people purely by your attitude to them. I could be wrong of course. My original point remains. If you spot something wrong, tell it to those in charge,. If nothing happens keep going up the line until somethoing does happen.You will get more personal satisfaction that way.Flame, I have not seen anything in the Irish papers over here about abuses of peoples rights by airport police. I have however seen plenty of news stories about abuse of power by the "civilian power" the Garda in Donegal.So, be fair in your comments.
