DAT ("the new and better" SN) to start flying tonight
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To BLEKE and JUMBOLINA
I really don't appreciate the tone of your postings! i suppose you 've been with DAT max 2 years or even less and you 're lacking of experience in the aviation business.
So watch this forum in 1 month time. There is high risk that you too will be looking for another job.
It could be very sad for the good old friends i still see at DAT...you 2 ; you will learn the hard way...I hope you will stop then your silly childish postings
I really don't appreciate the tone of your postings! i suppose you 've been with DAT max 2 years or even less and you 're lacking of experience in the aviation business.
So watch this forum in 1 month time. There is high risk that you too will be looking for another job.
It could be very sad for the good old friends i still see at DAT...you 2 ; you will learn the hard way...I hope you will stop then your silly childish postings
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Ecam,
May I ask you what I said to make you this agitated?
I just re-read all my postings and I can find nothing childish about them.
Please quote me(if anybody else can-please do!)
Only my answer to the wwIIace was a bit off and I was probably wrong their too (sorry ace).
With regard to bleke's message, maybe it was a bit unpolite to all SN guysngirls who lost their job, so inconsiderate would be the word there, but I am sure he doesn't mean it that way-at least, not to the majority anyway.
He's probably meaning the millitant minority who preffered EVERYBODY out of a job, including BIAC airport (remember the blocade last thursday?)
I've been at DAT well over your 2 years now (was this meant as in insult-where do you get that number from anyway?), and I've been through some pretty tough times before that, how 'bout you?
I do agree with you, and the others, that it's going to be tough to make this work.
But we're all going for it with a positive attitude, what's the use going for it if we believed it won't work.
Hey, who said life was going to be easy?
At least the others wish us luck and have an open mind (thanks again guysngirls!!!).
By the way, how about a nice in depth (...) comment on piper737's comment, or...than again, you're probably right, it's to shortsighted and ....... to even comment about.
By the way piper737, are you doubting the skills and abelities (sorry for the speling)
of your dutch collegues?
I'll leave you with that, hope to hear from you soon (hey, that's the same way I finish my applications....
)
J.
May I ask you what I said to make you this agitated?
I just re-read all my postings and I can find nothing childish about them.
Please quote me(if anybody else can-please do!)
Only my answer to the wwIIace was a bit off and I was probably wrong their too (sorry ace).
With regard to bleke's message, maybe it was a bit unpolite to all SN guysngirls who lost their job, so inconsiderate would be the word there, but I am sure he doesn't mean it that way-at least, not to the majority anyway.
He's probably meaning the millitant minority who preffered EVERYBODY out of a job, including BIAC airport (remember the blocade last thursday?)
I've been at DAT well over your 2 years now (was this meant as in insult-where do you get that number from anyway?), and I've been through some pretty tough times before that, how 'bout you?
I do agree with you, and the others, that it's going to be tough to make this work.
But we're all going for it with a positive attitude, what's the use going for it if we believed it won't work.
Hey, who said life was going to be easy?
At least the others wish us luck and have an open mind (thanks again guysngirls!!!).
By the way, how about a nice in depth (...) comment on piper737's comment, or...than again, you're probably right, it's to shortsighted and ....... to even comment about.
By the way piper737, are you doubting the skills and abelities (sorry for the speling)
of your dutch collegues?
I'll leave you with that, hope to hear from you soon (hey, that's the same way I finish my applications....
)J.
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EICAS
I'll see what I can find out for you but I think its been a slow start. There has been no real marketing push on the part of bmi (surprisingly) or by LBA (unsurprisingly) and SN ticket holders only receive 25% discount.
It seems that bmi will run the service along the lines of the CDG operation, e.g. point-to-point pax only, high fares in the week, reasonable deals with a Saturday stopover. Once up to speed, this should give them 4k-5k throughput per month. (Sabena averaged 9k-10k). Still room for DAT for the transfer pax perhaps? (
I can't actually believe that bmi didn't go with LBA-FRA instead of LBA-BRU. It would have given them the same high yield point-to-point traffic, and they woould fill the rest with Star Alliance transfer pax.
DAT are introducing destinations on a daily basis. MAN and NCL are due on line tomorrow.
682
I'll see what I can find out for you but I think its been a slow start. There has been no real marketing push on the part of bmi (surprisingly) or by LBA (unsurprisingly) and SN ticket holders only receive 25% discount.
It seems that bmi will run the service along the lines of the CDG operation, e.g. point-to-point pax only, high fares in the week, reasonable deals with a Saturday stopover. Once up to speed, this should give them 4k-5k throughput per month. (Sabena averaged 9k-10k). Still room for DAT for the transfer pax perhaps? (
I can't actually believe that bmi didn't go with LBA-FRA instead of LBA-BRU. It would have given them the same high yield point-to-point traffic, and they woould fill the rest with Star Alliance transfer pax.
DAT are introducing destinations on a daily basis. MAN and NCL are due on line tomorrow.
682
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Good News for Dat crew Flight deck and cabin. Its great to see Dat finally get the credit they deserve. Hope they have the services of some clever lawyers just in case. I wish them well.
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Putting D.A.T. back into business by the Belgian government and their associates is more a morale booster than it is long-term solution for everyone involved. Don't forget that D.A.T. is now operating on government money for at least one month untill possible investors will make a decision whether D.A.T. is worthwhile to operate. This scenario gets the heat off for the politicians for the time being. Sadly for those that have their hopes raised, they might be in for a chilling shower. A stand-alone D.A.T. with a bolted-on long-haul operation to satisfy the Sabena gang isn't a solution that fits the needs of the market. Conclusion: 3 months down the road, D.A.T./Air Belgium will have to reimburse government funding of 5 billion BFR and no investors ready with the cash!
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caveman is right, they will shortly run out of cash again, loads of 0 - 5 pax no one will invest in such a dead horse. again, why compete on routes where there are already 3-4 airlines operating with a track record - suicidal i think. crashdive, remember VEX is a belgium company and making a profit so throws that theory out of the window. anycompany well managed will be profitable. in my company we are doing bad now but have a strong past which will out see these trying times due to strong brand awareness
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Advice for DAT.
Beware of bringing in ex Sabena into the operation. When DAT was under the leadership of Tony Van Grieken the company went from light aircraft to the BAe146 which were operated very sucessfully. We had a continuous fight with SN (Pilots Union) to be allowed to operate the aircraft. We were not qualified in their opinion. Of course nothing was done correctly in the opinion of the then Pilots Union and eventually Tony Van Grieken was ousted. Tony although was not liked by SN he was the only one with the b.... to speakup. To no avail. The results are apparent today. You cannot change the attitude of people brought up under the govt. umbrella. Do not let DAT follow the same fate as SN.
Beware of bringing in ex Sabena into the operation. When DAT was under the leadership of Tony Van Grieken the company went from light aircraft to the BAe146 which were operated very sucessfully. We had a continuous fight with SN (Pilots Union) to be allowed to operate the aircraft. We were not qualified in their opinion. Of course nothing was done correctly in the opinion of the then Pilots Union and eventually Tony Van Grieken was ousted. Tony although was not liked by SN he was the only one with the b.... to speakup. To no avail. The results are apparent today. You cannot change the attitude of people brought up under the govt. umbrella. Do not let DAT follow the same fate as SN.
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Just check out the new web site DAT-airlines
http://www.dat-airlines.com/en/index_en.htm
and check out the board of directors
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http://www.dat-airlines.com/en/index_en.htm
and check out the board of directors
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According to Belgium's VRT news, former DAT and VLM CEO Freddy Van Gaever has plans for a new airline, which would operate long-haul services only. He wouldn't compete with DAT+ or Virgin Express, so he won't fly to Africa, Europe or the Eastern USA.
Nothing is final yet, but Van Gaever told VRT that he was leaving for Bordeaux to talk to some owners of Airbus aircraft, including ex-Sabena A330s, and that he was talking to possible investors. The decision on whether to proceed with this project should be made by the end of next week.
Incidentally, Hudson Bay - the 18th is today (19th is Monday!)
Nothing is final yet, but Van Gaever told VRT that he was leaving for Bordeaux to talk to some owners of Airbus aircraft, including ex-Sabena A330s, and that he was talking to possible investors. The decision on whether to proceed with this project should be made by the end of next week.
Incidentally, Hudson Bay - the 18th is today (19th is Monday!)
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Hudson...guess you had a long sleep and you felt the urge to say something. Beside the fact that you put up a day and do not mention a year, you also state that this is the word in town...which town?
If you do not have any actual facts than do not start something which will not help the industry at all.
With all the rumours and threating scenarios employees all over the places accept now new arrangements which have been available in writing decades ago.
Also, if one would be so lighthearted to believe your words, it is very new to me that banks do announcements or spreading words on a sunday....
Hopefully you can find a good rest and keep your fingers off the keyboard for some time...
If you do not have any actual facts than do not start something which will not help the industry at all.
With all the rumours and threating scenarios employees all over the places accept now new arrangements which have been available in writing decades ago.
Also, if one would be so lighthearted to believe your words, it is very new to me that banks do announcements or spreading words on a sunday....
Hopefully you can find a good rest and keep your fingers off the keyboard for some time...
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D.A.T. is flying under responsability of the court for another 21/2 months. They are now using government money, intended for SABENA. Meaning if the 5 billon BFR are dried up, they need cash from the private investors. And those investors are not queing to be first in line! Result: very unsure future for DAT! Plan F. Vangaever is tricky: 3 or 5 Airbusses to serve respectively the USA West coast or the East&West coast with at least one aircraft in reserve in both cases!
