BA jet landing incident at LCY
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BACF policy is that it's Captains only to land at LCY, to clear that one up. FOs practise landings in the sim for LCY but that's all.
MikeStanton - see above, they were not the same aircrafts.
Your statement is completely incorrect and makes it look like the guys on the ground haven't done their job correctly, when at this early stage there is nothing to suggest that.
MikeStanton - see above, they were not the same aircrafts.
Your statement is completely incorrect and makes it look like the guys on the ground haven't done their job correctly, when at this early stage there is nothing to suggest that.
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Care to qualify that statement? Or are you PPRUNE's very own AAIB? You don't know the facts, and if any of the gentlemen from the gutter press are trawling on here for nuggets then that is gold, so do us all a favour. . .
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While the RJ100 is certified for LCY, I understand it's right on the borderline. Very very challenging approach and landing, not for the faint of heart, give me Innsbruck, Chambery, Funchal, night Corfu anytime!
Interesting comment about it not being 'mainline' though, as there's lots of 'mainline' pilots actually fly the thing. There clearly remains a "Plastic BA versus Platinum BA" feeling, that's such a pity.
Interesting comment about it not being 'mainline' though, as there's lots of 'mainline' pilots actually fly the thing. There clearly remains a "Plastic BA versus Platinum BA" feeling, that's such a pity.
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MikeStanton - see above, they were not the same aircrafts. Your statement is completely incorrect and makes it look like the guys on the ground haven't done their job correctly, when at this early stage there is nothing to suggest that
Your statement is completely incorrect and makes it look like the guys on the ground haven't done their job correctly, when at this early stage there is nothing to suggest that
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Interesting comment about it not being 'mainline' though, as there's lots of 'mainline' pilots actually fly the thing.
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For the benefit of the press trawling for quotes and those who have never actually piloted an aircraft into LCY can we lay off the dramatics? Phrases like "Very very challenging" and "...not for the faint of heart..." might look good in print but are just sensationalist nonsense.
Challenging? Not really, perhaps a little more attention needs to be paid but that's all providing you've had the right training. Not for the faint of heart? The ECG at my medicals over the years all seemed fine.
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Challenging? Not really, perhaps a little more attention needs to be paid but that's all providing you've had the right training. Not for the faint of heart? The ECG at my medicals over the years all seemed fine.
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Landed at Hms Lcy twice everyday at my old outfit (righthand seat). Same applies to it as to the rest just configure earlier and job done. Still always wonder where they got their wind speed /directions from though??. Lets wait on the outcome of the investagation.
. Lets wait on the outcome of the investagation.
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At last some sense from Flintstone on this thread... SO MUCH RUBBISH AND SENSATIONALIST COMMENT from people suddenly professing to be pilots going into LCY. Get a grip. The RJ is the perfect aircraft for the job and it's been doing it for years. Captain only landing for BA Cityflyer - and it's simple: if you don't like what you're seeing then you go around.
Passengers coming forward to the press were the typical 'get a claim in', arm in a sling americans. Again, get a grip. Normal rate of decent is around 1000 ft/min on a steep approach so of course it feels faster with the ground rush - especially at night. Both incidents completely unrelated.
Passengers coming forward to the press were the typical 'get a claim in', arm in a sling americans. Again, get a grip. Normal rate of decent is around 1000 ft/min on a steep approach so of course it feels faster with the ground rush - especially at night. Both incidents completely unrelated.
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I repeat for the benefit of the deaf. BA City Express is not the same thing as BA
that is why I am trying to explain
if you really want to go down the us and them route then please be accurate BA City Express does not exist.
BA are quite happy for BA CityFlyer to appear to their customers as BA product 99.9% of the time , it would be mercenary to distance yourself today.
.... and what exactly are you trying to explain..... to the public.... that this sort of thing wouldn't happen to a BA aircraft with BA crew ?
You maybe have a short or selective memory
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Unbelievable twaddle . . .
I wrote the title of the thread, I am a passenger, you know, one of those fools that pays your wages . . .
The plane has British Airways written on the side in 4 ft high letters, so no matter what, it's BA to me and 99.9% of the people that matter and use the service . . . and book the flights on the ba.com website and all the other things that make it BA to more normally adjusted people.
Given I dot have the ownership documents of the plane to hand, what company would you think ran this plane . . .
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3474/...fa89ee.jpg?v=0
Let's just hope it was a non predictable mechanical failure, because if it was pilot error I'm sure myself and all the other thousands of fare paying passengers who spent hours and hours dealing with the complete ineptitude and utter incompetence of the airlines following the airport closure would like to see those responsible out of job and not congratulated . . . thanks to BA or whoever they really are you've cost us a load of money and time not to mention risking the lives of innocent passengers . . .
I guess we'll see what the AAIB report says with interest . . .
I wrote the title of the thread, I am a passenger, you know, one of those fools that pays your wages . . .
The plane has British Airways written on the side in 4 ft high letters, so no matter what, it's BA to me and 99.9% of the people that matter and use the service . . . and book the flights on the ba.com website and all the other things that make it BA to more normally adjusted people.
Given I dot have the ownership documents of the plane to hand, what company would you think ran this plane . . .
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3474/...fa89ee.jpg?v=0
Let's just hope it was a non predictable mechanical failure, because if it was pilot error I'm sure myself and all the other thousands of fare paying passengers who spent hours and hours dealing with the complete ineptitude and utter incompetence of the airlines following the airport closure would like to see those responsible out of job and not congratulated . . . thanks to BA or whoever they really are you've cost us a load of money and time not to mention risking the lives of innocent passengers . . .
I guess we'll see what the AAIB report says with interest . . .
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Brace, Brace.
Flintstone,
Please do professional pilots the courtesy of believing them if they say that flying into LCY is extremly challenging.
You might well be a superior aviator but many of us are just ordinary human beings who found it really hard work. (Regardless of whether ones brain was also cooked).
Personally I was always about a second ahead of the aircraft and putting an aircraft down on a spot in various weather conditions was a constant battle to get it 'right'.
From memory, it was a compulsory Go Around if you failed to touch before two lights - which would be a serious handfull from a very low altitude.
I am delighted at never having to land there again and if I were a passenger or Cabin Crew on an inbound to LCY I would recommend taking up the 'brace' position on each and every landing. Just in case.
I'm really sorry if it's been already advertised, but this 146 'landing' at LCY just about sums it up.
Beware, Brave aviators...LCY IS CHALLENGING.
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Please do professional pilots the courtesy of believing them if they say that flying into LCY is extremly challenging.
You might well be a superior aviator but many of us are just ordinary human beings who found it really hard work. (Regardless of whether ones brain was also cooked).
Personally I was always about a second ahead of the aircraft and putting an aircraft down on a spot in various weather conditions was a constant battle to get it 'right'.
From memory, it was a compulsory Go Around if you failed to touch before two lights - which would be a serious handfull from a very low altitude.
I am delighted at never having to land there again and if I were a passenger or Cabin Crew on an inbound to LCY I would recommend taking up the 'brace' position on each and every landing. Just in case.
I'm really sorry if it's been already advertised, but this 146 'landing' at LCY just about sums it up.
Beware, Brave aviators...LCY IS CHALLENGING.
DB
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The 318 operation at LCY will be nothing to do with Cityflyer and will be mainline. Cityflyer staff are paid by mainline, wear mainline uniforms, provide the BA service on board including club europe, sell the flights on ba.com and all have staff travel on BA.... In the public eye, it really is all viewed as 'BA'.
As for 'contracting out it's core business'
As for 'contracting out it's core business'
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Failure of landinggear
Seems to have been a catastophic failure of the nose landing gear iaw latest news from reliable sources.Gear have apparently snapped in half more or less. it seems that has nothing to do with the handling of the aircraft or maintenance problems . Seems like they are doing a fleetwide inspection of all nosegears before next flight just to make sure.
It Has happened before on other types and due to that maintenance programs and/or inspections have been different or more frequently
Regards wings1011
It Has happened before on other types and due to that maintenance programs and/or inspections have been different or more frequently
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Originally Posted by Dream Buster
Beware, Brave aviators...LCY IS CHALLENGING.
Originally Posted by Dream Buster
if I were a passenger or Cabin Crew on an inbound to LCY I would recommend taking up the 'brace' position on each and every landing. Just in case.
Come off it. Follow the procedures, fully configure before the glideslope, maintain Vref + a safe margin for gusts over Greenwich Hill and the buildings, flare, wheels on before the lights, home in time for smoked kippers.
Seriously, on a good day with a following wind after eight hours sleep I'm average. I'm happy with average, I claim nothing more, but making LCY out as involving lots of hurtling, plunging, wrestling with the controls and narrowly avoiding orphanages and schools is just silly. It's a steep approach to a runway that's a bit on the short side which is why only certain aircraft types are certified for it. If they couldn't do it they wouldn't be there, likewise the crew.
What next? "Ladies and gentlemen, this is the captain. There's a light north-easterly with a few spots of rain at Heathrow this morning. WE'RE ALL DOOMED!"?
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No need for that! LCY IS very challenging, from the top of glide to the completion of the landing roll. Anyone who says it isn't is fibbing.
I know that it is, because:
1) I land there regularly (RHS, not RJ/146).
2) I sit next to colleagues (in the LHS), and I can see that it's challenging to ALL of them, too.
Perfectly achievable, of course, but very challenging, nonetheless.
CC
No need for that! LCY IS very challenging, from the top of glide to the completion of the landing roll. Anyone who says it isn't is fibbing.
I know that it is, because:
1) I land there regularly (RHS, not RJ/146).
2) I sit next to colleagues (in the LHS), and I can see that it's challenging to ALL of them, too.
Perfectly achievable, of course, but very challenging, nonetheless.
CC
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Chuffer old fruit.
As one who has flown many LCY approaches from the LHS as PIC and the RHS as a LTC I can assure you it's not that dramatic.
If you're in the RHS I'd say your captains are putting it on to impress you and justify their extra pay. Do they scream in the flare too?
As one who has flown many LCY approaches from the LHS as PIC and the RHS as a LTC I can assure you it's not that dramatic.
If you're in the RHS I'd say your captains are putting it on to impress you and justify their extra pay. Do they scream in the flare too?