Redundances on British Midland Regional 146 fleet?
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Redundances on British Midland Regional 146 fleet?
I have just had a telephone call from a close friend in Birmingham telling me that the whole Lufthansa 146 operation is coming to an end on November 30, and that all the 146 pilots are being made redundant.
Does anyone out there have any further info on this? What a sad time we are all going through at the moment-will it ever end.
To all those pilots affected, my heart felt sympathies.
Does anyone out there have any further info on this? What a sad time we are all going through at the moment-will it ever end.
To all those pilots affected, my heart felt sympathies.
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No such luck Arkroyal! Aircraft stop flying for LH on 30 November, may be work for one aircraft at the moment out of MAN to BRU. Contract was due to end August 2002. Redundency talks start in earnest on Monday with the management and crew council. If you think they will keep us on till the contract was due to end with no work you may be somewhat mistaken.
Good luck to us all in the times ahead.
Good luck to us all in the times ahead.
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Dear God, is there no end to the potential misery? I was at a bmi mainline presentation yesterday (like ARKROYAL?) and came away with the impression that the contracts would run, but not be renewed. I hope this is so. Having been with a company that went bust (two weeks after a management presentation to tell us of the expansion plans) I feel for you all.
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Indeed, Nubboy, that's where my info was gleaned.
So how much of the rest of the silver tongued diatribe will turn out to have been so economical with the actuals.
Heartfelt sympathy for the crews if this is true
So how much of the rest of the silver tongued diatribe will turn out to have been so economical with the actuals.
Heartfelt sympathy for the crews if this is true
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Just seen the bmi home page. Click-on & check out the 'news' banner about the BRU routes.
BHX my have some good news for the 146 if this goes ahead !
Also bmi have asked for slots out of MAN to Dublin in case if Aer Lingus goes under.
[ 11 November 2001: Message edited by: JB737 ]
BHX my have some good news for the 146 if this goes ahead !
Also bmi have asked for slots out of MAN to Dublin in case if Aer Lingus goes under.
[ 11 November 2001: Message edited by: JB737 ]
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Yes,we're all being made redundant. We heard on 8 Nov that consultation had started on 6 Nov. Everyone on the fleet except 4 management pilots and 4 management cabin crew (more than 100 people) are more than 99% likely to become redundant on 6 Dec.
And just in case anyone is thinking of joining bmi regional in the future, be aware that the "last in first out" rule does not apply in this company. We were all recruited as permenent staff of the company temporarily posted on the 146 for the Lufty contract. All of us who want to expected to be transferred to the Embraer fleet at the end of the contract. But a clause in the "Memorandum of Agreement" says that the company can choose the "pool" from which any redundancies are to be made. Which means seniority counts as nothing. In one case a cabin crew has worked for the group for 8 years (transferred to 146 18 months ago) will now lose her job. Loyalty pays???
As for the Man-Bru route, I believe the company intends to invite those in the redundant workforce who may be interested to apply on a short term (one week? one month?) contract basis. Based in Manchester.
We're not likely to be offered any job share/unpaid leave alternatives as had been offered to the Embraer crews. Consultation continues but I fear for the worst. A very long winter holiday is looming, but at least none of us will have to work this X'mas.
And just in case anyone is thinking of joining bmi regional in the future, be aware that the "last in first out" rule does not apply in this company. We were all recruited as permenent staff of the company temporarily posted on the 146 for the Lufty contract. All of us who want to expected to be transferred to the Embraer fleet at the end of the contract. But a clause in the "Memorandum of Agreement" says that the company can choose the "pool" from which any redundancies are to be made. Which means seniority counts as nothing. In one case a cabin crew has worked for the group for 8 years (transferred to 146 18 months ago) will now lose her job. Loyalty pays???
As for the Man-Bru route, I believe the company intends to invite those in the redundant workforce who may be interested to apply on a short term (one week? one month?) contract basis. Based in Manchester.
We're not likely to be offered any job share/unpaid leave alternatives as had been offered to the Embraer crews. Consultation continues but I fear for the worst. A very long winter holiday is looming, but at least none of us will have to work this X'mas.
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Sympathies with all you 146 crews and ca,s out there,what you should learn about this company is, if you want a guarantee,buy a television,if you want loyalty get a Labrador.
Sympathies with all you 146 crews and ca,s out there,what you should learn about this company is, if you want a guarantee,buy a television,if you want loyalty get a Labrador.
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Thanks Nitefiter. I know I should have learned by now, after 2 redundancies in 2 years. But I am a naive person who still believes in the fundamental good of human nature, and Santa Claus!
PS. I'd love a labrador.
PS. I'd love a labrador.
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All this doom and gloom is getting me down. Who wants to start an airline and take on the routes that are being lost by the big boys downfall. All we need is money !!! There must be someone out there with a few pennies !!
daft as it may seem - I'm serious :o
daft as it may seem - I'm serious :o
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EICAS don't stiffle a man with a good idea, all the crews could own a little piece of the pie and see how hard they would be willing to work then. Viking I wish you well.
I can't see that if LH were making money onteh routes then why can't bmir just keep flying them and take the profit, if they aren't making money then I guess it would be fool hardy to continue with them. What are the loadings like on the routes that are being dropped?
I can't see that if LH were making money onteh routes then why can't bmir just keep flying them and take the profit, if they aren't making money then I guess it would be fool hardy to continue with them. What are the loadings like on the routes that are being dropped?
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EICAS - now there's a man with NO forward thinking. LH were making money on the STN routes (albeit a small amount) but they can't be seen by the Unions to be supporting wet lease operations when they have just parked 43 of their own machines.
There IS money to be made in aviation right now despite the mega changes that are going on all around us. There are plenty of experienced crews, plenty of airframes and plenty of routes to be flown. All it takes is for some entrepeneur to come along and realise the potential for a small carrier.
Vikings did indeed dream, and it did them no harm either......
There IS money to be made in aviation right now despite the mega changes that are going on all around us. There are plenty of experienced crews, plenty of airframes and plenty of routes to be flown. All it takes is for some entrepeneur to come along and realise the potential for a small carrier.
Vikings did indeed dream, and it did them no harm either......
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The Guvnor is unable to confirm - or deny - reports that he's been looking at 146s for a regional operation. Nor is he able to deny that he has recently been offered a number of incredibly cheap multi-engine aircraft and is currently in discussions with several operators about AOC cover. 