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Old 16th March 2009 | 05:03
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Most of us would agree that we think the crew would have tried to do whatever they could to get the thrust restored. In the end we probably will find out that there was nothing more that could be done. There has been a lot of speculation on the position of the thrust levers but since sparky the wonderjet knows all and tells all we will find out in the final report.
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Old 16th March 2009 | 08:14
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Sulley was NOT the first!

There was a successfull ditching in 1956 with no fatalities... a Pan Am 377. I wish the media would do a bit more research before broadcasting!

Pan Am Flight 943 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_11602402
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Old 16th March 2009 | 13:03
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I don't know any autothrottle system that will not go to idle if you command a slower speed. The Boeing operates the same as the Airbus in that respect.
What is true in level flight is not in climb phase.
Did I miss an ATC request for 3000 feet level off ?
Your 757 works the same way in climb phase, reducing the speed will raise your nose but the thrust won't reduce the slightest.
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Old 16th March 2009 | 13:58
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In climb mode on any aircraft with an autothrottle system it would make no sense to reduce below climb power by reducing your climb speed. Name one that does. Non of the Boeings do anything but raise the nose to achieve the selected speed. I have flown most of them.
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Old 17th March 2009 | 00:12
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Flapwing, it would be nice if posters on pprune would do a bit more research - like reading the thread to see if their point has been posted a dozen times already or not .
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Old 17th March 2009 | 00:53
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Amazing 10 min. movie there

at the Mercury News site. Thanks for the link
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Old 19th March 2009 | 16:42
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A small amount of thread drift, heres an interesting little article on the fate of the aircraft.

One For The Breakers | AVIATION WEEK
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Old 25th March 2009 | 20:20
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Thanks, folks, enjoyed this discussion.

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Old 27th March 2009 | 18:24
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Bizarre further thread drift:

US Air's insurers, AIG, are seeking to suppress photos of the Airbus salvage, or so it says at The Online Photographer: AIG and US Airways Seek to Cover Up Flight 1549 Recovery Photos

Yes, that AIG.

But why? Is it just a marketing department's general allergy to photos of dented planes?
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Old 28th March 2009 | 19:48
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Devil Guess they dont want these ones shown either

Dont think others have posted these two - may be interesting from a techincal aspect tho not sure how much damage was done to underside whilst dismantling the plane:-



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Old 28th March 2009 | 19:52
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3 million dollars to sully for book

I don't know if you have seen this or not, but sully got a 3 million US dollar advance for two books.

I hope he shares it with his crew.
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Old 28th March 2009 | 22:48
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Good for him. He got his retirement package plus some that USAir took from him. If just cost a few geese and one A320. Hope he enjoys his soon to come retirement.
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Old 29th March 2009 | 23:48
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PTH

Why should he share his book advance with the crew? Wasn't saving their lives enough?

They can write their own books.

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Old 3rd April 2009 | 02:18
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ralph

why should he share the money with the crew?

Well, for starters, if the aft FA hadn't kept the passengers from opening the rear doors, at least a dozen people would have died. the ditching wouldn't have been a success then now would it?

the crew worked together to save everyone, sully was just the most visible on TV.

Remember, the captain is responsible for everything, including running into a flock of geese.
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Old 3rd April 2009 | 02:59
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Well, for starters, if the aft FA hadn't kept the passengers from opening the rear doors, at least a dozen people would have died. the ditching wouldn't have been a success then now would it?
Scott McCartney, aviation writer for the Wall Street Journal attended the U S Airways Media Day last week and reported in his WSJ blog on “a panel discussion with behind-the-scenes officials involved in the Flight 1549 accident, which all aboard survived. Among the new information revealed: The impact with the water ripped open a hole in the underside of the airplane and twisting of the fuselage caused cargo doors to pop open, so the plane would have filled with water from the rear regardless of whether a passenger opened an escape door in the back of the cabin.”
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Old 3rd April 2009 | 06:15
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Makes you wonder why all the aft belly damage. From the distant video, I could not detect any flare. Was there no energy left to flare? I've never seen near so much damage after a gear-up landing on a runway. There have been a number of dead stick landings of Boeings and Douglas that did no damage at all: witness the new TACA 737-300 on the dike in New Orleans.

Did the Indonesia 737 that landed in the water suffer as much damage?
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Old 3rd April 2009 | 07:55
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he do the right thing--

from what i have seen and heard of him in the various interviews, i am confident that he'll do the right thing by the rest of the crew.

it is not for us to decide what that might be.
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Old 3rd April 2009 | 09:45
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Well, for starters, if the aft FA hadn't kept the passengers from opening the rear doors, at least a dozen people would have died. the ditching wouldn't have been a success then now would it?
This always struck me as odd. In the copy of the FCOM that I have seen (which may have been revised since), it says in the ditching emergency procedure:

Originally Posted by Airbus A320 FCOM 3.02.80, P 4, SEQ 001, REV 24
- EVACUATION
After impact the lowest point of the passenger exits (aft door) remains above the waterline for more than 7 minutes.
In my understanding this implies that all exits can be used for an evacuation after a ditching.

Maybe someone knows if that procedure has changed for A320? (I have heard that Boeing 737 does not allow the aft exits to be used after ditching.)


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Old 3rd April 2009 | 12:28
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Don't think he owes anyone a penny. If he had cocked it up I don't suppose anyone of them would have been helping him financially in "retirement".
Finally, his contribution was his contribution, & his lucidity and foresight has got him the publishing deal , nobody else.
Nothing to stop the others doing the same if they feel able, and think they have a different/more interesting take on things.
Think the cash should stay in HIS account, but then I am a Scottish Skinflint, so what do you expect
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Old 3rd April 2009 | 13:36
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So how many members of the crew are writing the book?

The fee goes to the author, no?
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