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Norwegian pilot over alcohol limit caught in AMS

Old 10th Dec 2008, 12:22
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Norwegian pilot over alcohol limit caught in AMS

A Norwegian pilot has been arrested on Tuesday in Amsterdam with an alcohol content of 0.85, Dutch press report. The article states that he was stopped and breathalyzed after arriving from London and as a result of an anonymous tip-off. The police seized his licence, referred the case to the public prosecutor and notified the Norwegian authorities.

For those of you fluent in Dutch:

Noorse piloot met slok op moet brevet inleveren - Binnenland - de Volkskrant
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Same article... different date... different location.... different airline.

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I remember a similar case a time ago where the cpt made a prompt blood test after he was accused of alcohol abuse and it showed 0.0 alcohol. He has this document on the man always. This was his proof, but he had to leave the place.
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Rumour has it that it's VLM...
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AMS is a known hotspot for nightstopping crews with Hotel staff being paid rewards for tip-offs to the police of drinking crews!!! Beware!!!
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Um, shouldn't that be 0.085%? I think a 0.85% alcohol level would kill you. 0.2% is very serious intoxication, and 0.35%–0.40% represents potentially fatal alcohol poisoning.
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0.85 promille
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What a sad bunch of bar stewards.
Strange screwed up mentality anyhow, cannabis ? fine just fine, a few beers ? Oh lordy no.
A bit like having a massive red light district but refusing to open your airport too early on a Sunday morning ( EIN ) because you're all in church. . . or because you're all stoned from Saturday night
I'm always suspicious of people who take themselves ( and their opinions / ideas ) quite so seriously.

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AMS is a known hotspot for nightstopping crews with Hotel staff being paid rewards for tip-offs to the police of drinking crews!!! Beware!!!

The article states that he was stopped and breathalyzed after arriving from London and as a result of an anonymous tip-off.
So your point is?
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Norwegian newspapers stating that he wasn't flying, but doing the "yearly check" of the crew.

Yes he was working. Yes he was in the cockpit, but he was not operating the aircraft. Hell; is he even to be counted as crew?
Is there actually a legal clause for withdrawing his license?

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Link: Full norsk pilot arrestert - Nyheter - Utenriks - Aftenposten.no
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captplaystation,

Holland is a tolerant place, but the authorities are also big on personal responsibility. Especially for people with jobs that bear responsibility for other people's lives. So yes, cannabis is fine and you won't be prosecuted if you possess and use it in minor quantities and don't put other people at risk, for example by driving a car or flying an airplane while under it's influence. Same goes for alcohol. Oh, by the way: cannabis is technically not legal in Holland, and certainly not for pilots.

Being caught over the limit as a pilot is a disgrace and reflects badly on all of us, I'm with the dutch police on this one. Giving out to the dutch authorities is not on in this case.

Paulsen:

If he was in the flight deck conducting a line check or as a safety pilot he was working and on the crew list. It is legal in Holland for the police to seize a pilot's or driver's licence after an offence. The public prosecutor will subsequently decide if you get it back.
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captplaystation, howflytrg, how about cooling the hysterics a bit and looking at the facts? I know that would be an usual activity but hey, give it a try why don't you?

Dutch aviation police only deals with one or two cases a year where there is a suspicion of a pilot being under the influence of alcohol.

"There is a large degree of social control among professional pilots; they will intervene with a colleague who is under the influence" says Frans Zuiderhoeck of the Dutch Aviation Police.
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My "sad bar stewards" comment was not directed at the police, or indeed a colleague having a quiet word with someone (or even intervening via the company) if someone is quite obviously incapable.
The comment was directed towards anyone working in a hotel ( as howflytrg suggested )who thinks it is part of their normal job description to report aircrew behaviour to either their employers or any authority without full knowledge for instance of whether the crew getting tanked up till 4 in the morning just " might " be positioning back at 7 the next morning hence their "excessive" behaviour. I am fed up with everyone thinking that being in this profession equates to being answerable to everyone who wants to stick their nose into your business ENOUGH I say.
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Amsterdam (ANB-NTB):
En norsk flyger ble tirsdag kveld arrestert på Schipol lufthavn med 0,85 i promille.
Publisert 10.12.2008 - 19:31 Oppdatert 10.12.2008 - 20:59
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Piloten skal ha vært observatør i cockpiten på en flyging mellom London og Amsterdam, og han skal ikke ha sittet bak spakene. Det var 50 passasjerer om bord i flyet.
– Han var rolig da han ble arrestert i flyet, og satte seg ikke til motverge, sier Robert van Kapel, talsmann for det militære politiet, til bt.no.
Nordmannen er ansatt i det belgiske flyselskapet VLM Airlines. Saken etterforskes av det sivile politiet på flyplassen, og vil komme opp for retten i den nærmeste byen, Haarlem. (ANB-NTB)





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En norsk flyger ble tirsdag kveld arrestert på Schipol lufthavn med 0,85 i promille. Les hele saken
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Just a minute here...

For the last few years of my flying, I was a check-captain/instructor.
Was on old 747-200s...
Often flying simulators too.
xxx
I often wore my uniform to travel to/from my assignments.
For minimum baggage - jeans and sweat shirts, or pilot's uniform.
Two extremes.
Uniforms made it easier to go through immigration/security.
xxx
Dear Mr. Bartender (to whom I gave a big tip) -
I might have a few beers until you closed your bar at 03:30.
Then be bright-eye and bushy-tail in uniform in the hotel lobby at 07:00...
That does not mean I am on duty flying an airplane.
Just wearing a uniform, to get through the terminal to the gate.
Then sit in first class, and sleep.
Accuse me maybe if I board that A-340...?
I am not even rated on these machines.
xxx
Two years ago, three of crewmembers (747) had drinks in hotel in Miami.
Jeans and T-shirts in the bar...
A couple of hours later, the three boarded the shuttle to the terminal.
They were positioning to Orlando... in uniform. Flight was next day.
Got accused to be "drunk pilots" for a few minutes.
Who reported them...? No idea...
xxx
Mr. Bartender - Do not forget to call police for your clients with cars.
And maybe, next time, forget the big tip.
We pilots will buy a few bottles in a store and enjoy them in our room.
xxx

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Were you on the Belfast? Any sign of scurvy?

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It is alleged (on good authority, I assure you) that a young fellow was being interviewed for a job as FO somewhere in Essex. The interview consisted of just one question..."How many cans of Boddington's fit into a standard flight bag?"

He got the job.

(It wasn't me) My interview consisted of "May I see your logbook?" followed by "Can you start Monday?".

They clearly inspired a special spirit amongst their crews!
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Dear Mr. Bartender (to whom I gave a big tip) -
I might have a few beers until you closed your bar at 03:30.
Then be bright-eye and bushy-tail in uniform in the hotel lobby at 07:00...
That does not mean I am on duty flying an airplane.
Just wearing a uniform, to get through the terminal to the gate.
Whatever the PPRuNe theory, I strongly suggest that it is bad news if you show up in public in uniform with alcohol on your breath these days.

It is alleged (on good authority, I assure you) that a young fellow was being interviewed for a job as FO somewhere in Essex. The interview consisted of just one question..."How many cans of Boddington's fit into a standard flight bag?"

He got the job.
This booze culture may still be all the rage in the UK ( see: BBC NEWS | UK | Why booze culture refuses to die ) but it is long gone in America these days. I'm not even sure if Southwest still serves beer when you visit their headquarters.

Maybe that little widget in the Boddington's can is now hazmat anyway...
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The comment was directed towards anyone working in a hotel ( as howflytrg suggested )who thinks it is part of their normal job description to report aircrew behaviour to either their employers or any authority without full knowledge for instance of whether the crew getting tanked up till 4 in the morning just " might " be positioning back at 7 the next morning hence their "excessive" behaviour.
It may not be part of their job description, but it is definitely their duty as responsible human beings to report aircrew behaviour if there is any chance that the public might be put at risk. Any reasonable and professional pilot should have no problem being asked about their sobriety, considering the large number of lives in their hands.

It wouldn't even be an issue if so many pilots had not been caught, over the years, breaking the rules. The Channel 4 doco of a few years ago that exposed the BA crews is a case in point, as it exposed the rampant drinking culture that existed at the time - probably still does.

It occurs to me that any pilot who can't manage to summon the self-control to keep away from alcohol when within, say, 24 hours of duty (whether flying or not) has a bit of a problem. Why is it considered acceptable to turn up to work half cut under ANY circumstances?

It also occurs to me that any pilot who can't interact socially without drinking, or who can't get through a trip without hitting the bottle, has issues far more worrying than getting dobbed in by hotel bar staff.

I like my alcohol, but knowing when it is appropriate to drink it is the key. It seems many pilots still just don't get it.
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Finishing a check ride and deadheading home the next morning is a reason to celebrate. It may not be good PR for your company to show up hung over but it does not violate any regulations. Leave the PR crap out because they are just passengers.
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Strange screwed up mentality anyhow, cannabis ? fine just fine, a few beers ? Oh lordy no.
Neither are acceptable if you are flying a plane (yes i know the pilot in question wasn't flying), and if the original information came from hotel bar staff they deserve to be congratulated.
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