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STN Security declares war on pilots

Old 10th Dec 2008, 16:08
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Ryanair have large numbers of Brookfield pilots. Some that are floating and others that are sometimes posted off to other bases for the week. Correct me if wrong, but my understaning is that you cannot get a pass unless STN is your base and even if you have one it has to be swiped every so often to stay valid. Therefore they could no longer roster crew to fly from there. Adds up to plenty of delayed a/c ? If FR account for the majority of flights out of STN surley they would apply commercial and or legal pressure to facilitate a change of heart.... but then again.... BAA, CAA & DFT lost the plot on this security lark awhile back!

I can overfly London, land there but cannot get through the door to buy a coffee... yup lunatics... plain and simple
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Old 10th Dec 2008, 16:28
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Not wishing to stir up a hornets nest but would not national ID cards plus the company ID remove the need for individual airport IDs. (I'm completely ambivalent about National ID cards)
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Old 10th Dec 2008, 17:02
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As I once said to a member of STN security when positioning to operate on an LGW pass....... rules are for the guidance of wise men......and the obedience of fools! That stumped them for about 30 seconds....after which the expected rejection from the security post was experienced.

I belived that the DfT were supposed to be bringing in a universal ID system for Flight Crew so that details on the pass were stored at all uk airfields using the same gov'nt approved data base??

Or on the other hand you can just go out to Thailand and buy a BAA style airside pass with your photo on and airline logo of your choice!!! Associated press passes are buy one get one free in Koh Samui
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Old 10th Dec 2008, 17:23
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It seems they're truly focused on air crew while idiots are cutting down fences and singing songs of praise airside.
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Old 10th Dec 2008, 19:04
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The solution is simple: when you get your CPL /ATPL the national CAA do the background checks and issue you with an ID.

Cabin crew? Make them go to the local CAA for an ID.
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Old 10th Dec 2008, 19:28
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The solution is simple: when you get your CPL /ATPL the national CAA do the background checks and issue you with an ID.
In Germany you have to produce a so called ZÜP - certificate of reliability EVERY 2 years to keep your licence. The ZÜP is basically a check with every agency in Germany that is relavant for security, even the points you have on your driving licence are checked and evaluated. By a civil servant and with no strict rules, and you can`t appeal. (Democracy???)
Sometimes I think the real enemies of a law abiding, hard working citizen are....

So beware what you wish for....
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Old 10th Dec 2008, 19:47
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George Orwell couldn't have made it up.
What relevance, real relevance, has any of it got to the real business of flying a tin can from A to B.
Anyone dedicated enough to be a sympathiser for some extremist group is gonna be a lot more clever and a lot more adept at covering their trail than to get stuffed by a few points on their licence or some totally non-security related offence.
Basically we have all the hassle & surveillance, and anybody with any real intention to cause harm leads the quiet life until . . . THE day. Net worth of all this nanny state / jobsworth security bolloxs ? Square root of tosh all.
The pond life that inhabit VP3(?) must be beside themselves rubbing their hands in glee at their new enhanced ability to [email protected] even more people around who are only trying to do a days work. . . where will all this horse manure end ?
Unbloodybelievable though in this day and age that a LGW pass is no use @ STN / PIK / EMA or wherever, strange how technology can only be utilised to dick people around and most certainly Sir not vice-versa . . . .more than me jobs worth
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Old 10th Dec 2008, 21:24
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Whatever.

Please do not enter into any arguments, just walk away and go back to the crew room or once well out of earshot Ring you Airline's Operations or whoever and Let them sort it out. Once you put the onus onto the security personnel and the pressure applied from your Airline/Company, you will be surprised how quickly things get solved.

Don't get angry, just let someone else take the heat.
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Old 10th Dec 2008, 21:29
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This sounds a bit far out IMHO......in total breach with ICAO guidelines which the UK has signed up to.......
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Old 10th Dec 2008, 21:46
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It does all seem a bit much. Here, I was issued with a letter from the airport manager about 3 years ago, authorising me to drive my car - registration not specified - across the airfield to my hangar. In the last couple of months a notice has been placed on the gate asking users to please close it behind them, so I guess the Security nightmare is slowly catching up with us too ?

Sorry ! I know it's not relevant and I do sympathise, I wouldn't last 5 minutes, the cr*p I have to put up with as a pax. these days drives me up the wall.

Can't you all just sit down and refuse to board your aeroplanes one day, or do you think that maybe they won't notice in Whitehall if all air travel stops around the UK ?
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Old 10th Dec 2008, 21:57
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NATIONAL LEAVE YOUR PASS AT HOME DAY - 1st APRIL 2009

Just joking GCHQ, just joking

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Old 10th Dec 2008, 22:44
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Exactly ! Why not ? BALPA pls. organise.
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Old 10th Dec 2008, 23:58
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maybe they should buy a few more security jeeps to patrol the fences instead - crew have to go through enough hoops already
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Old 11th Dec 2008, 00:43
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Security at STN...is it Christmas cos it makes me go Ho Ho Ho. One area of the airfield you get every crevice searched for illegal exploding curry sauce, orange juice, water etc. Another area of the airfield you wave your pass and through you go. And I'm posting this because it is a complete joke and needs addressed NOW. Oh and not to mention the area of the airfield where you can chop your way in and sing Come By Ya and browse the Lush catologe while engaging in a spot of light handcuffing/bondage. I'll go before I get myself wound up.
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Old 11th Dec 2008, 06:54
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Who said the terrorists will not win or are not winning? I say they are winning and will win if this stupidity carries on. At the moment they have the authorities running around like headless chickins.

The terrorists aim is to disrupt and create chaos. Well the way I see it they have achieved that goal. They have managed to disrupt the lives of millions of people. I can see no end to it until we all stand up and say enough is enough!!
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Old 11th Dec 2008, 07:48
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Not wishing to stir up a hornets nest but would not national ID cards plus the company ID remove the need for individual airport IDs. (I'm completely ambivalent about National ID cards)
We already have national IDs - they're called passports. We also have flight crew licences issued by the government and BAA IDs from other airports... Why would a national ID card be any more acceptable to the security Nazis?
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Old 11th Dec 2008, 08:20
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The terrorist have already won.....look at the expense and hassle everyone who works at or flies from an airport has to deal with. We all know it is nothing more than a farce, looks good to the general public, but to anyone who knows an airport there are more 'holes' than the public would care to know.(apart from the ones in the perimeter fences) Having worked at a major airport where I had to be escorted by a full passport holder to the security pass issuing office, because it was airside, passed through security check/farce, go to office, get issued with pass, come back out through said security, into jo public area, walk downstairs and out on the airside/ramp area with one very un-interested 'security guard' giving the pass a quick cursory glance, no swipe, no check of bag i was carrying etc. etc...Seems to me they should spend some more time and effort securing the perimeter fences etc. As others have said, get to the security, if your pass is rejected, go away, call ops, let the company sort it out. I had to do this at MAN once, (having been through on several occasions with no problems) phoned ops, told them the problems, went and had lunch while they had the hassle sorting it out. Eventually got the call, went back to security who now waved me through...result, very nice leisurely lunch, one plane parked at a gate for any extra 2 hours, much to the annoyance of the airport authorities, and I have no doubt words said by company to MAN airport.......sure it will happen again though..
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Old 11th Dec 2008, 11:33
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One thing that puzzles me, is how did the treehuggers manage to cut the fence & get themselves all comfy without any of them being shot?

Let me guess, despite the armed plods wandering the terminal, they don't do perimeter patrols and knock off when it gets dark. just so that they're noce & fresh in the morning to back up the macdonalds rejects barking at you to take your belts, shoes, watches, glasses, false legs, artificial noses & wigs off.

I really must stop taking the cynical pills
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Old 11th Dec 2008, 12:08
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Why wouldn't you go through security earlier in "civvies", then change into uniform in the appropriate company lounge and finally proceed to the gate to be allowed on board "earlier" as if you were infirm, disabled or elderly? Plenty of time to check the paperwork, gauges and get on with the real business.

PS All you'll need is a boarding pass, issued by your own employer for SEATS 0A and 0F

Last edited by Fizix; 11th Dec 2008 at 12:12. Reason: Another thought as a PS
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Old 11th Dec 2008, 12:25
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one European company I worked for last year printed their own I'd passes, and very smart they looked to. They worked worldwide from Oz to the UK. Still have it! Made a mockery of everything!
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