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Redundancies and Demotions at bmi

Old 24th Nov 2001, 19:59
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My mate who works for bmi, and of course independent sources of info like the other threads running about the lay offs, informs me that 109 bmi pilots are being made redundant and 55 will be moved from the left seat to the right seat.

Some of the guys at EMA who have only recently been promoted are a bit ticked off about this, having put a lot of work in to get the command. They are being replaced by Captains, more senior to them, who are moving back from London.

Now to my way of thinking these seat swops are in breach of the employment law as the jobs still exist and the guys who are being demoted are being treated unfairly by being replaced by guys from London. If the jobs were lost that is one thing but having someone else take your job over is different entirely.

Of course someone will say that the contract says that they can do this, but surely the contract cannot vary the law ?
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Old 24th Nov 2001, 20:38
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That's the way the Agreement For Service works. Your friend was given a copy of the rules when he joined. Sorry I can't be more encouraging. Bad times for all of us!

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Sorry, but this is the world we live in now! At my company 31 pilots were furloughed or took voluntary leaves of absence, schedules were cut back approx 20%, one aircraft returned to the lessor and 12 junior Captains temporarily demoted back to the right seat. At least they still have a job. Aviation is very cyclical and all this has happened before.
Some of those Capts have already returned to the LHS after only a month and a half out of it, so there is light at the end of the tunnel. Sit tight, it will turn around.
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AlexB757 - You sure that light at the end of the tunnel ain't a train coming the other way!
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At bmi the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off as a cost savings measure.

Probably because the lights very existence is the result of restrictive practices bought about by selfish, overpaid aircrew who are hell bent on destroying the company.
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Old 25th Nov 2001, 13:04
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"next to the bar":- I presume the only job YOU are capable of is propping it up.

That is the biggest load of B****cks I've ever read on this site! And some take a lot of beating!

I'll leave to my compatriots to make their comments as mine are unrepeatable!!!

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I am surprised I have to point out the ironic nature of my post. I am one of the chosen many and resent being told that my unions views are pre-Murdoch. Especially as I am a new model wage slave!!!!
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SD,

Are you calling into question the attitude of your fellow pilots as would appear in your first posting or are you having a go a BALPA who may have a "big picture"?

I felt your first post was offensive to the majority of my colleagues. If I have misread your intentions then I apologise. If it was directed at some of terms and conditions negotiated by the CC and BAPLA an e-mail to them may be a better course of action.

Yes, we have a few selfish pilots, we have our share of pre-madonnas etc etc but then show me an airline that doesn't.

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I presume Miss Ciccone is a pre-madonna. And Mrs Ritchie a post-madonna?
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Well, You know what I mean?

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I'm surprised you have grasped the wrong end the stick quite so comprehensively. It's blindingly obvious that Stan is quoting, ironically, the comments made by a very senior member of our laughingly-entitled 'management'. (can't mention his name but it's almost the same as a high street purveyor of underpants).

BTW, it's not 'pre-madonna', which is meaningless but 'prima donna' - Italian for 'first lady'.
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Old 25th Nov 2001, 21:20
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Fokker,

I thought SD was making his own personal comments 'cos that's the way it can be interpreted. I'm not up to speed on the comments made by the other party.

Never was much good a Latin either!

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Just got back from another week being messed about so now am able to make it quite clear.

My comments were a weak attempt at perverse humour. I promise I wont try it again and I am very sorry to have caused MP to raise his BP. Seriously, MP do you think anyone in their right mind actually holds those views?

Irony: conveyance of meaning by words whose literal meaning is the opposite.

Nuff said I think.
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Business is business, the junior guys just have to go to the end....what is so surprising?
After all, the company "could" go OUT of business, then WHAT...?
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SD

Let's put this one to rest. I apologise for the comments I made about you holding up the bar etc and over-reacting about the content of your posting.

However there are those, from the "109 club", that have remarked to me in private along those lines.

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No problems, at the momnt we are all a little overwrought!.

For the record I am very pleased with the efforts of the Union and in common with many others in the crewroom feel that they have more than ably filled the managerial void in providing timely and sensible advice. The Union subs have, for the service provided during the past few weeks been excellent value. The CC should be praised for trying to keep a sound footing on the quicksand of company intentions.
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Old 29th Nov 2001, 20:00
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Speaking from "below the line"on the seniority list, I have to say that although BALPA's heart may be in the right place, there have been very few positive results so far.

Then again, perhaps it's those "above the line" that could have done a bit more for those of us getting the chop...
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Old 30th Nov 2001, 15:31
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It's Italian, not Latin.
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Old 30th Nov 2001, 16:01
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Any of you "below the line" might like to get an Employmet Tribunal to have a look at this.
Employment law seems exceptionally fair and balanced these days, and it may be, esp for the demoted Captains, that BMI must continue to pay a Captain's salary even if a demotion has occurred through no fault of the employee.

Max Pete please note that the law will over-ride any Employee Handbook.


Worth a go.

Try http://www.compactlaw.co.uk/emp.html

or http://www.smlawpub.co.uk/
 
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Ah!!!!

The naivety of youth, so refreshing???

PS. Got the spelling right too.

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