757 with 307pax gear collapse?
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Still saying it was in Garoua. I even have a photo of SKJ taken on 21st at Maiduguri airport in Nigeria. It was already grounded. Even spoke with the pilots. Engine was going for inspections after exceeding EGT limit and blowing smoke. Didn't see any external damage on aircraft. Nobody mentioned anything about 307 pax back then.
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Engine was going for inspections after exceeding EGT limit and blowing smoke. Didn't see any external damage on aircraft.
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seen this before...
I use to be based at Prestwick many years ago.
They often had the odd old B747 parked there for long periods for internal cleaning.
These B747 in question had BEEN used for the Hajj or the other "mass movement to the middle east" religious festival(s). In my recollection non had any commercial markings other than the minimum legal. Just all white ['ish].
They were often there for months. We were all very curious as to why these expensive "NOT flying in revenue service" hulls were stuck there.
We were told:
chartered by "middle eastern" customer for these events;
all pax seats had been removed, i.e. they have no seats inside passenger cabin;
all pax sat on the floor;
they are filled to the max of the floor space;
grossly overloaded in NUMBERS of pax, but not the mass [weight];
pax had to bring own food and drink for flight;
some pax brought portable "stoves" !;
toilets were insufficient for pax numbers - therefore pax did their "thing" in and around the cabin;
A/C were stuck for long periods every year until cleaners could be found who were prepapred to accept this "cleaning" task!
Imagine the internal atmosphere. the door were rarely opened due to OUR H&S laws.
Hence i am not suprized at the pax numbers at the top of this thread.
They often had the odd old B747 parked there for long periods for internal cleaning.
These B747 in question had BEEN used for the Hajj or the other "mass movement to the middle east" religious festival(s). In my recollection non had any commercial markings other than the minimum legal. Just all white ['ish].
They were often there for months. We were all very curious as to why these expensive "NOT flying in revenue service" hulls were stuck there.
We were told:
chartered by "middle eastern" customer for these events;
all pax seats had been removed, i.e. they have no seats inside passenger cabin;
all pax sat on the floor;
they are filled to the max of the floor space;
grossly overloaded in NUMBERS of pax, but not the mass [weight];
pax had to bring own food and drink for flight;
some pax brought portable "stoves" !;
toilets were insufficient for pax numbers - therefore pax did their "thing" in and around the cabin;
A/C were stuck for long periods every year until cleaners could be found who were prepapred to accept this "cleaning" task!
Imagine the internal atmosphere. the door were rarely opened due to OUR H&S laws.
Hence i am not suprized at the pax numbers at the top of this thread.
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That must be some kind of joke
Please say Yes
Which pilot would accept to fly such a ........ (Really can't find a suitable name)
That must be some kind of joke
Please say Yes
Which pilot would accept to fly such a ........ (Really can't find a suitable name)
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... thanks for triggering my memory SU-GCM ...
All the B747's I ever saw were middle-eastern registered... I seem to remember that they were all -200's...
and to answer your question: No, this is not a joke.
Ryanair were flying into Prestwick when i was there so maybe some of their pilot's might remember these long-term parked a/c?
oh! i just remembered something else: they had been used exclusively in the middle-east, africa and far east to mass-move pilgrims to the middle east. They were ferried empty to Prestwick just for cleaning!
and to answer your question: No, this is not a joke.
Ryanair were flying into Prestwick when i was there so maybe some of their pilot's might remember these long-term parked a/c?
oh! i just remembered something else: they had been used exclusively in the middle-east, africa and far east to mass-move pilgrims to the middle east. They were ferried empty to Prestwick just for cleaning!
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Having flown the Hajj for several years with TriStar aircraft, yes this year also, our small outfit has picked up quite a lot of extra business recently due to cancelled flights from other operators...we can pack in 329, and this is with a small business class section.
I have noticed for the last two years that the phase two baggage has been less, and was told by one charter broker that there are now limits on just what can be loaded....or not.
I have noticed for the last two years that the phase two baggage has been less, and was told by one charter broker that there are now limits on just what can be loaded....or not.
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B-757 with 307 pax...
As usual - I would caution newpaper readers about "numbers" published in the media...
It is likely to be a 757 with 207 passengers...
Or a 767 with 307 passengers.
xxx
Makes me recall news in a "highly knowledgeable publication" such as the Daily Mirror, which stated -
Sir Freddy Laker's airline will take delivery of 10 DC-3s...
Or, in reality, was it 3 DC-10s...?
xxx
I love Pprune, but at times, seems that the aviation IQ of a few is getting eroded...
Happy contrails
It is likely to be a 757 with 207 passengers...
Or a 767 with 307 passengers.
xxx
Makes me recall news in a "highly knowledgeable publication" such as the Daily Mirror, which stated -
Sir Freddy Laker's airline will take delivery of 10 DC-3s...
Or, in reality, was it 3 DC-10s...?
xxx
I love Pprune, but at times, seems that the aviation IQ of a few is getting eroded...
Happy contrails
question: B757 with 307 pax...
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Well EL AL fitted 1087 pax on a Jumbo in 1990 during their Ethiopian rescue flights, how they did it I've no idea, most seats I've ever seen on a 747 must have been 550 + in Europe anyway!
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The aircraft concerned was an L1011 or Tristar
It blew some tires which damaged the gear.
It was not overloaded, it was not a B757
Everyone must surely know how often the press get it wrong, then we are off on all the theories about how many people can you get in a 757?
Sheesh!
It blew some tires which damaged the gear.
It was not overloaded, it was not a B757
Everyone must surely know how often the press get it wrong, then we are off on all the theories about how many people can you get in a 757?
Sheesh!
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Well EL AL fitted 1087 pax on a Jumbo in 1990 during their Ethiopian rescue flights, how they did it I've no idea ...
Picture of Ethiopian Jews during Operation Moses - Photo from Jewishvirtuallibrary.com archive
This really was SLF but what a result for them
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I suspect the World Airways 727 out of Da Nang must count as one of the most overloaded, 260 people on an aircraft intended for 105.
Someone's reporting leaves a lot to be desired though, I could understand a bit of confusion with a typo between 757 and 767, but not with a Tristar if that's what it turns out to be.
Someone's reporting leaves a lot to be desired though, I could understand a bit of confusion with a typo between 757 and 767, but not with a Tristar if that's what it turns out to be.
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Seem to remember that QF held the record at one time, for the Darwin air lift after the slight WX snag they had some many moons ago
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From memory in DRW evacuation after Cyclone Tracy, QF threw seat belt rule away and allowed four pax per treble, plus used one belly hold with ladder access to main deck, and that way got to about 660.
Incidentally, Indonesian Hajj flights require international standards compliance and QF have been in that market for years using standard QF procedures (and therefore relatively high charter price ) - not all Hajji flights are clapped out freighters with kero stoves.
Incidentally, Indonesian Hajj flights require international standards compliance and QF have been in that market for years using standard QF procedures (and therefore relatively high charter price ) - not all Hajji flights are clapped out freighters with kero stoves.