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Old 23rd Sep 2008, 18:01
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RVSM over Africa

As of 25.09.2008 RVSM will be implemented over Africa.

Any opinions???
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Old 23rd Sep 2008, 18:10
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Use offsets, broadcast in the blind and hope like the various Russian planes are not at RVSM levels?? Oh, watch TCAS, but it is not all that useful, too many fly without a transponder. Understandable, I suppose, no radar.
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RVSM over Africa

Scary, very scary!!!
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Old 24th Sep 2008, 04:03
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Great news about RVSM in Africa. Loads more levels available to the majority of us who spend our time flying north/south with an off-set to the right.

The primary threat still remains from airways crossing traffic (especially Hajj flights) with no transponder and not participating in the IFBP. As always, eyes open approching those airways junctions.
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RVSM over Africa; Reminds me of the joke about the country that decided to transition from left hand drive to right hand drive. Trucks this week, cars next. Scary.
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Old 24th Sep 2008, 09:59
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Time to start a competition for the acronym in style with ETOPS (Engine Turns Or Passengers Swim)?

Let me start with a poor one to keep the threshold for contibutions low:

React Very Swiftly Manoeuvre
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Old 24th Sep 2008, 10:38
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When I was flying a business jet Algeria to Sao Tome a couple of months back the Nigerian ATC guy didnt even know the Phonetic alphabet

RVSM over Africa means Remain Visual Speak More (to other aircraft not ATC)

Pace
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My opinion? I'm glad I'm retired.
Me too
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Its alright for some...I arrived in Burkina Faso on the 24/09 (02:40) non RVSM. Im currently on a night stop and im returning on the 25/09 (03:30) so I guess I will be one of the first Guinea pigs to go through RVSM as I believe it changes at midnight....
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Old 24th Sep 2008, 15:58
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The good thing about RVSM is that it will enable "ATC" to handle more traffic.
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Old 24th Sep 2008, 16:06
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How scary?

Hajj will be around in about 2 months, North Eastern end of Africa will be fun. I think we will stick to day flying until it beds in!
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Old 24th Sep 2008, 16:18
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What about using RVSM to introduce the old quadrantal rule? e.g.

Eastbound 310 350 390
Northbound 320 360 400
Westbound 290 330 370 410
Southbound 300 340 380

This would add capacity and safety would not be compromized.
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Roll (to) Vertical, S*** Myself.

Paranoid as I am, I always keep a log of aircraft I hear on freq. on African flights... (call it "DIY ATC"). Looks like I'm going to need more blank pages.
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SLOP

Use SLOP, but avoid even numbers. 4.3NM or 4.7NM to the right, because you ll have that Ukranian or Kirgisian guy coming opposite direction, same level and precisely 4NM or 5NM to the LEFT.
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Old 24th Sep 2008, 22:30
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1000ft separation over Africa!!! PANIC!!!
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Old 25th Sep 2008, 08:53
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It is more a prestige question than a technical one. Every Region has RVSM and so Africa must have it.
As(too) many politicians and CAA managers in that part of the world only react to money ; more traffic with RSM ? = more overflight charges = good for me.
I know of many Sates ATC Control centres who did not have the training required , and no letters of agreements signed , or even discussed prior implementation today. Scary : no , after all it is the real world.
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Old 25th Sep 2008, 09:29
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ATC Watcher - no disrespect my friend, but you've obviously never flown over Africa IFR at night!
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Look Out The Window!

Maybe pilots will now have to start looking out of the windows.
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Old 25th Sep 2008, 15:22
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Having done my fair share of deep Africa flights, I am glad my airline does not go that deep. Good luck guys
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