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HURZ 23rd Sep 2008 18:01

RVSM over Africa
 
As of 25.09.2008 RVSM will be implemented over Africa.:eek:

Any opinions???

galaxy flyer 23rd Sep 2008 18:10

Use offsets, broadcast in the blind and hope like the various Russian planes are not at RVSM levels?? Oh, watch TCAS, but it is not all that useful, too many fly without a transponder. Understandable, I suppose, no radar.

Habari 24th Sep 2008 03:59

RVSM over Africa
 
Scary, very scary!!!

False Capture 24th Sep 2008 04:03

Great news about RVSM in Africa. Loads more levels available to the majority of us who spend our time flying north/south with an off-set to the right. :ok:

The primary threat still remains from airways crossing traffic (especially Hajj flights) with no transponder and not participating in the IFBP. As always, eyes open approching those airways junctions.:sad:

Ndicho Moja 24th Sep 2008 06:37

RVSM over Africa; Reminds me of the joke about the country that decided to transition from left hand drive to right hand drive. Trucks this week, cars next. Scary.

fermented herring 24th Sep 2008 09:59

Time to start a competition for the acronym in style with ETOPS (Engine Turns Or Passengers Swim)?

Let me start with a poor one to keep the threshold for contibutions low:

React Very Swiftly Manoeuvre

Pace 24th Sep 2008 10:38

When I was flying a business jet Algeria to Sao Tome a couple of months back the Nigerian ATC guy didnt even know the Phonetic alphabet ;)

RVSM over Africa means Remain Visual Speak More (to other aircraft not ATC)

Pace

Herod 24th Sep 2008 11:43

My opinion? I'm glad I'm retired.;)

spinnaker 24th Sep 2008 13:08


My opinion? I'm glad I'm retired.
Me too :} :ok:

Turkish777 24th Sep 2008 14:09

Its alright for some...I arrived in Burkina Faso on the 24/09 (02:40) non RVSM. Im currently on a night stop and im returning on the 25/09 (03:30) so I guess I will be one of the first Guinea pigs to go through RVSM as I believe it changes at midnight....:eek:

763 jock 24th Sep 2008 15:58

The good thing about RVSM is that it will enable "ATC" to handle more traffic.:E

spacecadet 24th Sep 2008 16:06

How scary?

Hajj will be around in about 2 months, North Eastern end of Africa will be fun. I think we will stick to day flying until it beds in!

threemiles 24th Sep 2008 16:18

What about using RVSM to introduce the old quadrantal rule? e.g.

Eastbound 310 350 390
Northbound 320 360 400
Westbound 290 330 370 410
Southbound 300 340 380

This would add capacity and safety would not be compromized.

Wiley 24th Sep 2008 17:16

Roll (to) Vertical, S*** Myself.

Paranoid as I am, I always keep a log of aircraft I hear on freq. on African flights... (call it "DIY ATC"). Looks like I'm going to need more blank pages.

MrMachfivepointfive 24th Sep 2008 17:24

SLOP
 
Use SLOP, but avoid even numbers. 4.3NM or 4.7NM to the right, because you ll have that Ukranian or Kirgisian guy coming opposite direction, same level and precisely 4NM or 5NM to the LEFT.

FilipeSilva 24th Sep 2008 22:30

1000ft separation over Africa!!! :ugh::ugh: PANIC!!! :eek:

ATC Watcher 25th Sep 2008 08:53

It is more a prestige question than a technical one. Every Region has RVSM and so Africa must have it.
As(too) many politicians and CAA managers in that part of the world only react to money ; more traffic with RSM ? = more overflight charges = good for me.
I know of many Sates ATC Control centres who did not have the training required , and no letters of agreements signed , or even discussed prior implementation today. Scary : no , after all it is the real world.

dontdoit 25th Sep 2008 09:29

ATC Watcher - no disrespect my friend, but you've obviously never flown over Africa IFR at night!

Smilin_Ed 25th Sep 2008 09:55

Look Out The Window!
 
Maybe pilots will now have to start looking out of the windows.

ford cortina 25th Sep 2008 15:22

Having done my fair share of deep Africa flights, I am glad my airline does not go that deep. Good luck guys


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